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ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby SlyckTom » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:26 pm

ISP-based newsgroups have taken a beating in the last month, as New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo's initiative against child pornography has forced many of the more popular newsgroup hierarchies offline. Verizon, Sprint, RoadRunner, and late last week, AT&T, have all acted on the Attorney General's recommendation. Today, the National Cable and Telecommunications Association (NCTA) announced a "historic" agreement where all member companies have entered into a MOU (Memoradum of Understanding) with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) and the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG) to attack child pornography on their servers and networks.

The exact details of the MOU is unknown, as Rob Stoddard, Senior Vice President of Communications for the NCTA, informed Slyck.com that the information contained in the MOU is not releasable. However, it's rather clear from the press release that the fight initiated by Andrew Cuomo is now taking on nationwide proportions. NCTA is the premier organization that represents the telecommunications industry, and today's announcement has the endorsement of every member.

Those who signed on today are as follows: "Comcast Corporation; Cox Communications; Charter Communications; Cablevision Systems Corporation; Bright House Networks; Suddenlink Communications; Mediacom Communications; Insight Communications; Bresnan Communications; Midcontinent Communications; Broadstripe; GCI; Harron Communications; US Cable Corporation; BendBroadband; Eagle Communications; and Sjoberg’s, Inc. Time Warner Cable has already signed the MOU."

This total number of ISPs represents 87% of all carriers, providing connectivity to 112 million individuals. From the press release, it's difficult to gauge what Internet medium will be targeted. However, the statement does offer the following:

"Specifically, the cable companies have agreed to use NCMEC's (National Center for Missing and Exploited Children) list of active websites identified as containing child pornography, to ensure that no such site is hosted on servers owned or controlled by those companies. The companies will also report these instances to NCMEC's CyberTipline and where appropriate revise their policies around other potential sources of child pornography, such as, for example, newsgroups."

Slyck followed up with Rob Stoddard, who told us the list referred to in the press release was a "prospective statement". A representative from NCMEC clarified that the agreement is protocol agnostic, and their targets change as content appears. If the past is any indication of what's in store for ISP customers, the newsgroups may very well be a prime target.

The move garnered support from 45 Attorneys Generals. In a letter to the NCTA, Attorney General Patrick Lynch of Rhode Island and President of NAAG, offered his congratulations on the agreement.

“I commend the nation’s cable operators for utilizing the National Cable and Telecommunications Association (NCTA) to negotiate and collectively enter into a unprecedented industry-wide agreement with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) to limit the availability of child pornography on the internet.”

What this means for the newsgroups is unknown at this time, however as ISPs begin to enact the MOU, the repercussions of this agreement will likely be felt throughout the online community.



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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby Xeno » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:51 pm

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. While I'm definitely in support of getting rid of any child pornography, I can't help but wonder...

What would happen if this same nation wide focus was to direct it's aim at filesharing instead?
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby Paladwyn » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:05 pm

Xeno wrote:It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. While I'm definitely in support of getting rid of any child pornography, I can't help but wonder...

What would happen if this same nation wide focus was to direct it's aim at filesharing instead?


That is just it, this is their foot in the door to start controlling and censoring content in the internet. Start with child porn, that's easy to get support for..next up?
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby hiro81 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:12 pm

Paladwyn wrote:
Xeno wrote:What would happen if this same nation wide focus was to direct it's aim at filesharing instead?


That is just it, this is their foot in the door to start controlling and censoring content in the internet. Start with child porn, that's easy to get support for..next up?


First them came for the child diddlers, and I said nothing because they're a bunch of scumbags.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby lordfoul » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:01 pm

I don't see a problem with ISP filtering alt newsgroups that specialize in child porn, most already don't support every newsgroup. There are a couple dozen and they could be delisted easily, but this shouldn't extend into a lets drop newsgroups entirely scenario, but I fear it may, doing the right thing used as a convenient excuse to reduce services to their customers.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby david89 » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:03 pm

i readed somewhere where giganews said they get rid off %99 of this crap off there networks allready.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby Your_Mentor » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:14 pm

They do this stunt everytime they want to get re-elected or back into office. They go after the biggest thing they can. And then wham.. Funding for their campaign to get into office.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby SchmuckofNI » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:19 pm

Sounds like the Patriot Act for newsgroups. Why not just invest a little bit of capital to just filter out the child porn?
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby toddlorensinclair » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:26 pm

See ... people just are not paying enough attention to this. This was started by the Attorney General of New York as a political grandstand "for the kids" ... they noted 88 newsgroups that contained items of child pornography.

The ISP's jumped on this band wagon quicker than a glass of water at a bhut jolokia pepper eating contest ... but not just for 88 news groups. Verizon has dropped the entire ALT. hierarchy ... over 100,000 news groups and others have dropped all newsgroups.

Now if someone can just send some child porn via bit torrent Comcast would be a happy puppy...
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby thepharside » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:53 pm

Two things I know:

> CP bastards need to die screaming in pain. As slowly as possible.

> If ISPs can use that fact to justify withdrawel of services to high bandwidth, negative ROI customers, they will. With gusto.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby urbalor » Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:01 am

I'd have more confidence that this would accomplish something if Verizon didn't send me a handy list of alternate newsgroup providers. Horrors, they've made the pedophiles spend $10-25/month extra for a newsgroup account. I was hoping for something more like a life sentence in federal prison for these bastards, not a little extra on the credit card every month.

And Verizon isn't hurting their "high bandwidth, negative ROI customers" that use the newsgroups heavily anyway. I went from being able to have 2 active connections to points within Verizon's network and a week of articles available to having 10 connections outside Verizon's network and 200+ days of articles available... that's an invitation to heavy bandwidth use if I ever saw one.

This is nothing but election year grandstanding.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby darkened » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:25 pm

urbalor wrote:I'd have more confidence that this would accomplish something if Verizon didn't send me a handy list of alternate newsgroup providers. Horrors, they've made the pedophiles spend $10-25/month extra for a newsgroup account. I was hoping for something more like a life sentence in federal prison for these bastards, not a little extra on the credit card every month.


Are you serious? Are you really stating viewing child pornography should be the equivalent of treason? Laws like that are what gets a teenager put in jail for 10 years for getting a blow job from his teenage girl friend. This zero tolerance mantra for sentencing is terrible.

Call me a pedo or whatever else but there should be no such thing as "zero tolerance" in the land "of the free." Should someone be punished for having these materials? Most likely, should they be jailed? Probably not. Should the producers? Definitely if it was from abuse, should some one that made porn with or of a teenager consensually? no.

I sure hope you people that make statements like this never took a picture of your girl friend when you were a teenager because you should be subject to your own sentencing guide lines for your hypocrisy.
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Re: ISPs Nationwide Unite in Attack against Exploitation

Postby James R. Bath » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:37 pm

In concept it seems like a good idea, but in reality, there seems to be an unhealthy connection between that and MOUs like this:
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It seems like one more step in a propaganda chain to make P2P seem equivalent to Pedo2Pedo.

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