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Postby SlyckTom » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:31 pm

During Napster’s reign, this early P2P network became a household name. Although not the first P2P or file-sharing network, it brought this once obscure Internet medium into the limelight. Over time however, the RIAA would pursue this network and force it into submission in the spring of 2001.

Yet the cultural impact of Napster was unmistakable. This network brought together communities of individuals that would otherwise use the Internet for little more than web surfing and email. It introduced a new world to the Internet masses that broadened the horizons of millions.

There was little doubt the impact Napster had on the general public. With 26 million registered users and 1.5 million simultaneous users at its peak, Napster was a highly publicized network. College students, adults, teenagers and seniors – just about everyone got in on the action. The name “Napster” became synonymous with the ability to download music off the Internet. Ask anyone during this time how to obtain music on the Internet, and the answer was nearly always “Napster.”

However in 2001, millions suddenly found themselves without a means to trade files. The only knowledgeable method to find music suddenly vanished. This event would have a profound impact.

Most notably, many participants of Napster would no longer participate in file-sharing. Although statistically the combined total of the P2P population had well exceeded Napster by late 2001, many individuals still gave a bewildered look to the question “how do you obtain music?”

Even several years later, when the total P2P population made Napster appear diminutive, many ex-Napster users simply did not recognize the existence of any other file-sharing method. This population had largely been replaced by younger and more computer savvy individuals who found solace with several various P2P networks.

While P2P was expanding, it had lost its mascot – its face if you will. There was no single network or method the general public could associate with P2P. Kazaa came close, but even with its 4.5 million simultaneous users – triple the size of Napster – it never quite reached the same cultural prominence. This could be attributed to the fact that Kazaa was largely associated with spyware, viruses, false files and corruption, rather than a P2P icon.

This lack of a cultural icon has slowly begun to change. A recent survey conducted by CacheLogic and Big Champagne found that nearly 74% of all files traded on P2P networks were music files. CacheLogic’s study found that Kazaa was no longer a prominent music source, and that a majority of its population was only interested in video files. The study did find however, that a majority of file-traders were heading over to the Gnutella network for their musical needs.

Gnutella was first introduced to the P2P world in April of 2000. Many in the P2P community largely ignored this network, yet it did find itself with a sizable following. Slowly, this poorly performing network would become a top-notch community, thanks to the development efforts of LimeWire and BearShare. Out of the two development teams, LimeWire would become the unequivocal leader of Gnutella, thanks to its open source client, lack of spyware/adware and favorable reputation.

During the 2005, Gnutella and LimeWire would see its population soar. According to LimeWire’s host counter, this network frequently boasts more than 2 million simultaneous users. Some estimates place the total size of this community much higher – perhaps as many as 6 million.

Observations dictate this is not an unreasonable estimate. Gnutella has grown from a virtually useless network to a high performance P2P community capable of obtaining a wide array of information. The ease and resourcefulness of Gnutella, especially for music, has once again given P2P an icon. LimeWire’s cultural popularity has become parallel, if not greater, than Napster, as it too has gained household recognition.

We still ask the question, “How do you obtain music?”
And the answer? “Limewire, of course.”
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Postby Chewyfood » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:43 pm

yeah i think limewire has definitely become an icon nowadays...

its nowhere near Napster's icon status, but when I see inexperienced computer users like my two younger cousins and their friends and their friends' friends all using Limewire (without a single suggestion from me) it indicates to me that it is reaching that Napster level.

Unfortunately the masses are inexperienced and PROBABLY wont know that Limewire will be filtering content soon. Hopefully they will learn to use Cabos or Frostwire soon!


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Postby socguy » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:47 pm

Good on Limewire! 8) Glad to see that what can be done if you just keep at it!

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Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:59 pm

Can someone explain me the difference between Limewire's performance and Gnucleus' ? (In regards to Gnutella of course)
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Postby grab_grab_the_haddock » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:20 pm

Gnutella is strictly second rate. It has become the new fasttrack, swallowing up all the noobs and lamers from kazaa and winMX. Let's hope they stay on gnutella so they don't pollute a decent network.
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Postby Crazy Horse » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:20 pm

panos wrote:Can someone explain me the difference between Limewire's performance and Gnucleus' ? (In regards to Gnutella of course)


What difference?!?!??!
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Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:28 pm

Crazy Horse wrote:What difference?


You mean there is none or that they are beyond comparison (for good or for worse)?

I am trying to figure out why Slyck is repeatedly making praising comments for Limewire vs anything else... is there some kind of secret sauce?
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Postby jonxp » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:03 pm

We still ask the question, “How do you obtain music?”
And the answer? “Limewire, of course.”


I've not seen that to be true. Most "average" computer users I know end up using Kazaa, and the ones that find gnutella usually discover (inexplicably) Bearshare.

Just to define "average"...no one here would be considered your average user. I'm talking about the people that refer to IE as "the internet".
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Postby DaBlade » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:07 pm

Ah, great. Just when LW's setting up filtering.
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Postby ilbozo » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:14 pm

Yeah I gotta agree Tom, they are now in the legendary status that was once Napster and Kazaa.
The difference being that the "savvy fools" are moving from Kazaa to Limewire. For the moment I dont see the problem with this. I dont use Limewire. Soon however they will be followed by all the stupid fakes that hit WinMx and Kazaa. The only difference being the filtering will kill the network first. Just another iMesh soon. :(
Pity LW used to be great, still is good for the odd mp3 though.
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Postby Macker » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:21 pm

I never liked Limewire ever :? I could never find what I needed. Mind you it did have proxy support and was at times very fast!
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Postby kevogod » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:41 pm

Let us not forget the legend that was once Morpheus.
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Postby SlyckTom » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:03 pm

I am trying to figure out why Slyck is repeatedly making praising comments for Limewire vs anything else...


Its not really praise, the article is merely stating its presence. I can't remember the last time I asked someone "How do you get music off the Internet?" and the answer being "Gnucleus."
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Postby zab » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:25 pm

kevogod wrote:Let us not forget the legend that was once Morpheus.


And let us not remember the wannabe legend MP.
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Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:00 pm

SlyckTom wrote:Its not really praise, the article is merely stating its presence. I can't remember the last time I asked someone "How do you get music off the Internet?" and the answer being "Gnucleus."


And no one ever will if you journalists don't take the extra pains to make OS projects like Gnucleus "top news".

I understand OS is a pain for a journalist since there are no press people involved on small projects and there is rarely (if ever) a press release to be got from the authors.

No problem with your article and I tend to agree that many people know Limewire. However, it is best when they also become aware of alternatives.
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Postby SlyckTom » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:19 pm

And no one ever will if you journalists don't take the extra pains to make OS projects like Gnucleus "top news".


I wish I could devote more time to other P2P networks and applications. If I had a staff - say 3 or 4 individuals - who could contribute on a daily basis, then you would definately see a more diverse array of news.
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:21 pm

You're doing a good job by my standards, Slyck. That's why I hang around this site so much and try to contribute as much as I can.
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Postby Andu » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:27 pm

SlyckTom wrote:
I am trying to figure out why Slyck is repeatedly making praising comments for Limewire vs anything else...


Its not really praise, the article is merely stating its presence. I can't remember the last time I asked someone "How do you get music off the Internet?" and the answer being "Gnucleus."


I haven't heard anybody say that about Limewire either.

Napster, Morpheus and Kazaa are the only ones that reached or came close to such a status. At least if you limit it to music.
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Postby hexen » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:38 pm

SlyckTom wrote:
And no one ever will if you journalists don't take the extra pains to make OS projects like Gnucleus "top news".


I wish I could devote more time to other P2P networks and applications. If I had a staff - say 3 or 4 individuals - who could contribute on a daily basis, then you would definately see a more diverse array of news.


The articles by SlyckTom are IMO well written, yet easy to read and contains much useful information.

However, why not let some of the "knowledgeable regulars" here on Slyck also try to contribute with "guest articles"? There's so many interesting networks that Slyck have yet to cover - both as reviews but also concerning ordinary software updates and news. If we had more people who wrote articles, it would not only strengthen the community as a whole, but also - as you pointed out Tom, provide a much more diverse experience.
Hopefully the overall quality on Slyck articles will always remain the same - or become even higher.

Lime wire...I tried it some time ago, but found it to be a poor resource on underground/rare music. However, it's definitely a good mainstream alternative to such competitors as FastTrack, WinMX or Ares.
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Postby SlyckTom » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:47 pm

However, why not let some of the "knowledgeable regulars" here on Slyck also try to contribute with "guest articles"?


I do get a tremendous amount of assistance from SlyckNick, IceCube and MaliciousIntent. Your suggestion is one that we may incorporate some time in the future.
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Re: LimeWire Becomes P2P Icon

Postby Drake » Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:48 pm

SlyckTom wrote:We still ask the question, “How do you obtain music?”
And the answer? “Limewire, of course.”


No offense to Limewire users, I use it myself every now and then, but if they're saying "Limewire of course", then they're probably noobs who aren't aware of better ways to download music.
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Re: LimeWire Becomes P2P Icon

Postby Anonymous » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:34 pm

The articles by SlyckTom are IMO well written, yet easy to read and contains much useful information.


As a regular Slashdoter, I can tell you that I have seen Slyck articles appearing on /. on many occassions and never have I seen a single user criticizing on the quality of the articles. (I have seen Slashdoters shredding other news sites to pieces...)

Quality over quantity, although it has some effects on diversity, is a good choice.
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Postby jay-jay » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:57 pm

The main gripes I have will LimeWire is the "Search is too specific" prompt, which I find a contradiction considering all the meta data fields they have. Also a lot of the results do not match the criteria I have typed in a lot of the time, which is annoying and frustrating.
To be honest, the content isnt really as great as a lot of people claim it to be, only good for mainstream files (e.g. Kazaa).
If I was to use a Gnutella client, it would be BearShare every time.
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Postby LadyMatika » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:02 pm

the one reason why everybody is going with Limewire probably is that fact that Limewire didn't back down to the threats of riaa, when bearshare and the others did limewire stayed online and gave it right back to them,lol

meaning limewire is telling the riaa to
KISS THEIR BARE ASS,LOL

gotta love the ones that don't back down and fight like hell!!!!!!!!!!!
like me :D
BOYCOTT ALL THAT THE riaa and the record cartell represent!!!!
BOYCOTT PEOPLE IT'S THE ONLY WAY!!!
HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS THEIR MONEY!!!!!!!!!
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Postby Trev0r269 » Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:12 pm

Very cool article. I appreciate the icon theme because within the last week at college, a few different people have used the name limewire in a fashion similar to how napster used to be spoken about.

A joke in biology lab
me: oh man these euglena are better than porn
damon: so wait, you go on the limewire and you type in "euglena" instead of jenna jameson?

On the Foo Fighters
me: yeah "in your honor" is a great cd, you should get it. (notice i didnt say how)
Jason: Yeah I'll just hop on the limewire and get that bad boy.
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