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Internet2 Now an RIAA Target

Postby SlyckTom » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:26 am

The Internet2 project is a collaborative effort among universities, colleges, government and corporate networks designed to implement advanced networking technologies. The project aims to create an extremely high-speed network for the research community, while developing cutting edge applications. The Internet2 project eventually hopes to bring its super-high speed technology to the general public.

With such a high-speed connection, it is not surprising that students residing on university or college networks are taking advantage of this for file-sharing. An Internet2 connection is considerably faster than even a high-speed cable connection, ranging upwards to 655 megabits/sec. Recently, researchers on the Internet2 network successfully sent data from Switzerland to Tokyo at 7.21 gigabits per second - fast enough to download full length DVD in seconds.

According to the RIAA, it takes "less than five minutes for a movie or less than 20 seconds for a song [to download.]"

The RIAA and MPAA have actively been pressuring the Internet2 consortium to either join the network, or play a significant role in its development. Both these organizations have a vested interest in its evolution, considering that P2P file-sharing is finding its way onto Internet2.

A significant portion of file-sharing that exists on Internet2 is coordinated through a centralized hub named "<a href=http://www.i2hub.com target=_blank>i2hub</a>." Outwardly, i2Hub is not typical file-sharing or P2P network. It advertises itself as a central meeting point for university and college students share ideas, collaborate on research or assignments, or to simply chat.

However according to the RIAA, it has become a major file-sharing network capable of massive copyright infringement. In response to this growing trend of piracy on Internet2, the RIAA has sued 405 students at 18 universities who allegedly engaged in infringing activities on i2hub. The RIAA states those who were sued shared a combined total of 1.5 million songs.

“This next generation of the Internet is an extraordinarily exciting tool for researchers, technologists and many others with valuable legitimate uses,” said Cary Sherman, President, RIAA. “Yet, we cannot let this high-speed network become a zone of lawlessness where the normal rules don’t apply. We have worked very constructively with the university community, improving educational efforts at colleges across the country, expanding partnerships between schools and legal online services and providing a clearinghouse for expertise on technological anti-piracy solutions. We cannot let rampant illegal downloading on Internet2 jeopardize this collaborative work. By taking this initial action, we are putting students and administrators everywhere on notice that there are consequences for unlawful uses of this special network.”

Like much of their lawsuit campaign so far, the RIAA will be targeting those who share the most material. According the RIAA, the average file-sharer on i2hub had 2,300 songs available. Amazingly, some students had as many as 72,700 files available, however this total was a combination of mp3, audio and software.
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Postby sonicbum » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:38 am

where do i sign up 8)
SHARE OR BEWARE!!!!!!
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Postby thejynxed » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:08 am

Yeah, I read this over on /.

There are valid points on both ends of the spectrum.

A) A multi-university research network shouldn't be used for P2P file trading unless it directly involves legitimate research projects.

It's a waste of scholastic resources that we as taxpayers pay for. I for one am not too happy subsidizing someone else's movie and music collecting hobby. It may sound like an anti-p2p sentiment, but it's not, it's an "I am helping to pay for your education with my tax dollars, stop wasting my money using school resources to fileshare copyrighted material that could get the university sued and cost me even MORE money."

B) The RIAA had no right to access a private network in the fashion that they did. What the RIAA did violated the terms of use for the network as established by the universities involved in the project even more than any supposed P2P activity by the students.
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Postby Doobie » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:48 am

thejynxed wrote:It's a waste of scholastic resources that we as taxpayers pay for. I for one am not too happy subsidizing someone else's movie and music collecting hobby.


What wouldn't be a waste of taxpayers' money? High-resolution video conferencing between two people who could have accomplished the same thing, albeit in lower res, on the regular internet... two people most likely talking about nothing really important? If you object to the waste of taxpayers' money, there should be no Internet2 to start with. Let the private sector boost Internet performance.

The movie trading serves such functions as helping developing new collaborative tools and stressing the network to reveal points to tweak. Otherwise, there would be a lot more unused bandwidth and no money saved!

The only thing that wouldn't be a waste of taxpayers' money is nuking DC. That's one investment that would save trillions of dollars.

Do you have visions of Internet2's bandwidth being filled by PhDs exchanging data to help cure cancer, put men on Mars, and developing new labor-saving technology that only result in people having to work more hours every week than their parents did?
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Postby larytet » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:03 am

IP spoofing is possible if you are connected to the LAN see http://larytet.sourceforge.net/rodiAnonymity.shtml

Internet2 is IPv6 based and IPSec header is manadtory there. it would be interesting to test Rodi there. please contact me if you have access to the network
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Postby Christopher » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:26 am

The RIAA have once again shown themselves to be complete idiots. Suing people in college over actions that can't be shown to be illegal in the least (could just be downloading and sharing between friends - not illegal).
People need to start standing up to the RIAA and their corporate lobbyists and telling them that if they keep on doing things like this, we are going to start filing counter-suits based on things like monopoly laws, price gouging, and other things too myriad to be listed here.
If we started doing this they would get the message and realize that "Hey, we have to stop charging people $20 for a CD that only costs $.50 to produce (figures for price of CD coming right off the FCC website)."
I mean, what OTHER business charges nearly 40 times the cost of making the thing for a piece of plastic that in a industry burner takes less than one second to burn.
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Postby notbob » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:15 am

thejynxed wrote:
B) The RIAA had no right to access a private network in the fashion that they did. What the RIAA did violated the terms of use for the network as established by the universities involved in the project even more than any supposed P2P activity by the students.


all you need is one IT manager to feel the way you did on letter a) and call the riaa/etc., and then they do have permission (which is sort of ironic since the i2hub people do not)

you can't have privacy on a network that isn't yours, especially when you use it without permission

it also didn't help that these i2hub morons bragged at every internet forum about how great their speeds were and how awesome their network was, second only in spam to chris myden and his ubernet
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Postby tm, » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:36 am

I wonder exactly how they got into the network? Did some university president let them set up shop? Since I2 is still experimental, are universities required by law to keep logs of users, as they are for the 'regular' commercial internet?

These infiltrations should be fairly easy to fight. Since I2 is a relatively closed network, assembling an IP blocklist should be a lot easier. With the massive bandwidth that I2 users have, using an anonymous proxied network - such as an adaption of Mute or Ants - would still provide high speed downloads. Or confining the network to only one university would probably be sufficient - I doubt that the RIAA has direct physical access to all 158 campuses they are targeting. These lawsuits will only lead to the creation of safer, more anonymous P2P networks.
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Postby larytet » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:39 am

>tm

that was easy
i2hub is a DC hub and nothing else
any compromised peer can log anything - file lists, IPs of all participating peers. and i would say that such log is probably can be considered reliable, because of the nature of DC+.

the funny part of it that IP address of the hub (of the server) was (is) well known and there is only one hub as far as i understand.

even FTP servers would be harder to trace than DC+
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Postby AussieMatt » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:02 pm

Warner Bros and Napster are corprate members of I2 so the RIAA can use thier connections with these 2 companies to easilly infiltrate the network.
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Postby HeavySnarker » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:33 pm

I2hub would actually be very easy to access. The RIAA needs only to bribe any on-campus college student to gain access to the network. But then, it's probably illegal too.
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Postby no_dammagE » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:56 pm

freenet would be hell fast there ;)
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Postby notbob » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:06 pm

AussieMatt wrote:Warner Bros and Napster are corprate members of I2 so the RIAA can use thier connections with these 2 companies to easilly infiltrate the network.


they aren't cops, it's a civil case, there aren't many rules that do apply to them

especially since all they want is enough evidence to scare mom and dad into settling, and the evidence is almost guaranteed to never see a judge
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Postby Fr0sTy » Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:20 pm

yesterday practically out of nowhere, this popped up on my local news... thw whole RIAA attacking internet2.... they're sharks! what do the MPAA and the RIAA get paid for?!?!?!!
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Postby poullos » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:25 pm

Next targets: Xvid, Divx, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, ATI, Logitech, McDonalds...
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Postby poullos » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:25 pm

oops...
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Postby SlyckChuck » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:50 pm

The industry will try to intimidate anyone who they think they can scare the most. They will not observe any rules unless they are caught for any obvious infraction. If this goes on much longer one can look forward to being sued if they sell video tapes, cds or any type of media in a rummage sale. Also pawn shop owners and those stores selling used items might get sued too.

The simple question will finally be asked, where or when does this stop. Civil lawsuits can be sprung on anyone with money to spend. You almost could sue another for looking at you wrong. Where does this stop(lawsuits) and common sense prevails???
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Postby Fr0sTy » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:50 pm

hahahahaha... mcdonalds.... that's brilliant.... AND VERY POSSIBLE!!!
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Postby mpfenton » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:37 pm

no_dammagE wrote:freenet would be hell fast there ;)


No kidding. I'd be surprised if they aren't already using it.
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Postby tm, » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:52 pm

mpfenton wrote:
no_dammagE wrote:freenet would be hell fast there ;)

No kidding. I'd be surprised if they aren't already using it.

Freenet was not really designed for sharing files, as Mute and Ants and Winny specifically were.
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Postby thejynxed » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:36 pm

I thought Freenet was more designed to pass along document and picture files privately? It wasn't really designed to transfer full cds/dvds worth of material, that much I do know. The way the network works is very counter-productive towards large file sharing. High-anonynimity yes, but VERY slow speeds (unless of course you are transfering documents and pictures, in which case the speeds are more than adequate).
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Postby bkman » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:45 pm

Yeah, sound like this Internet2 would be a great testing environment for anonymous p2p like Ants.
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Postby VreebieZ » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:02 am

Latest news..

“Chances are we (RIAA) will not take further action against these particular infringements, but we’re reserving the right to do so."


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Postby mpfenton » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:59 am

“... In any event, we will certainly take action against future infringements”


I guess that means they've found a way that doesn't involve hacking.
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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:14 am

I bet they nailed someone with some power sharing some gay porn and decided to drop the whole deal.
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