Team Phoenix - Let us make a new p2p client - WinMX 2010

[Dazzle_2]

I share your disappointment with their lack of transparency but honestly I urge you not to get involved with wasting your enthusiasm on them, old grumpy folks like me are about to take them to task and I have done so knowing that its all a waste of time and that they care little for anyone elses views beside their own, I dont want you or anyone else to think that thats the case at wmw, our site was started like your own is now being undertaken on the backs of a few commited users and thus I for one appreciate the effort it requires to build up a site and gain decent help and the time commitment, Knowing all this I ask you for your own sanities sake to focus on your positive plans and leave the old guard such as myself to fight the old battles, fly above it and make a success of your plans.

[Dazzle_2]

I,m still seeing incorrect information supplied on this page

http://winmxphoenix.webs.com/apps/faq/

There are two main download sites for the community patch one is WinmxConex and the other is MxPie.com, the winmxgroup domain is not hosting any patches nor a cache but is simply being held to stop it falling into the hands of anti p2p entitiies thus any references to winmxgroup should be clearly indicated as being prior to 2007 and not currently.

KingMacro is no longer with WinMxWorld and their .dll patch has been subject to some recent, ongoing connection problems affecting both WinMx file-sharers as well as hosts who use the WCS chat host program. WinMxWorld is now offering their version of KingMacro's modified .dll patch which has caused some dispute between factions.

I am not aware of any problems that affect connections with the community patch as claimed on your page perhaps you could enlighten me ? I am also surprised I,m having to ask you again to correct the obvious misinformation being handed out here, its well known that the community patch has nothing to do with King macro and instead was created by an Italian programmer named Eagle who created it from scratch after being asked to help resolve an ongoing dispute with King macro over the use of the original winmxgroup offering, Eagle also wrote some new peer cache software for the community and thus no reliance on King macros software is necessary.

I hope that you take the opportunity to read through the remaining information you have on your site and correct it. You have taken the time to correct some of it I note but half a job is not really helpful when it leaves folks wondering who is running what and when, if you need a hand rewriting it feel free to drop me a PM.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

Dazzle_2,

Write it the way you see fit and i will post it over the old information, but as it is, we now have 2 programers and are currently busy getting things into motion and I have not had the time to correct this info as of yet.

Also, to sunny d. thank you for your help on the forum rules. if you see anything else please feel free to send us an e-mail, as it is no longer just me, but a team. Cant stay here much but I will check back in as much as i can.

Thank you all,
BoguS-CasH911

[sunnyd]

Yw, I figured using email like I did would be easier for you, so you could print it, and work on it at your own pace (when you had time) rather than having to go back and forth from place to place.

[Dazzle_2]

Thats all good news Cash

I,ll rewrite the information in a fair and non partisan way and get it to you, my thanks for your understanding, also glad to hear you are gaining a team

[Dazzle_2]

Since I made the post above disaster movie stuff seems to have beset me.

I was (and still am) taken ill and my computer decided it would like some fresh capacitors on the mobo and unless I gave in to its demands it would reboot every 5 minutes, those are small beer with the next disaster that is still unfolding across WinMX and I think I had best put the planned updating of your text on hold as a serious problem has occurred that requires all WinMX parties to come together for a discussion on how to prevent data harvesters accessing the system and gathering data for potential suits, due to the way the network is designed the attackers are able to use unprotected primaries to gather data and currently wmw has no way of stopping this activity alone, thus I have entered into a third public battle, I suspect your all as disappointed as I am that it has once again come to this but with so many users being placed at risk and the solution already in hand (simple ip blocking) you have to ask why after so many years one group wont up their game and seal the network from attackers overnight by updating their proffered solution.

For the antagonists amongst you we have already offered them our solution under a simple re-branding deal (ie: call it what you want but please use it) along with its valuable src code but it seems that's not enough.

Wasted time, lost users, disappointment for all.

A real disaster movie

[Snip]

This whole "Phoenix" thing is just a joke. There obviously are no skilled programmers (I don't think someone who works with backdoors [Richy] counts) who are doing anything. I don't believe any of them know the ABC's of the WinMX protocol. They are taking donations on a website that is simply paraphrasng the real information about WinMX(doing a bad job at it too).

And along with all of the bullshit going on there they had the nerve to try to edit the WinMX Wikipedia page. Here on the left you can see in yellow their "additions" that were promptly removed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =359169876


I specifically want to point out what they list the "features" of this new client are:

It will have a lot of new features such as user profile and Fragmented file downloads as well as a FILTER plug-in that disables illegal file sharing from with in the users installation so that it conforms with the RIAA's wishes although it may be removed by the user at risk of legal repercussions.

Hmm why would a group of people say they want to see WinMX rise to the top again if they don't support what it was made for? And since when does the RIAA work for or with WinMX as it's a decentralized network.

To add on to the apparent "working with the RIAA" they want to do, user profiles sound like a way to put a name to a WinMX User.

Obviously these people have no idea how the hell the network operates and they do not understand that it's not possible to apply those kind of filters.

So if you want a non-anonymous p2p network with close ties to RIAA go right ahead and hit "Donate" on their website. I'm sure that money will go to "great" use....


Seriously Cash & folks, just take your donation button and shove it before I do it for you.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

1. It is a work in progress, more than what your doing...
2. Were not working with the R.I.A.A. but rather aginst them by placing an optional keyword filter "from with in the users installation" to hide search results such as the ones containing "cam, rip, keygen etc." just so they can't say we didnt try.
3. The user profile will be just like a forums... A silmple user uploaded picture, A custom comment and probably a section on your favorite hobby or past time, were not asking for you to input an address or a social security number, only a complete moron would do that.
4. Sounds to me like your aginst a. progress or b. winmx in general.
5. I am not going to argue with you on this so there is no point in trying to goad me.
6. I do belive I read in the rules that there is no threatening allowed in this forum... "Seriously Cash & folks, just take your donation button and shove it before I do it for you."

There for all actions and comments are now explained, if you would like them in another language please advise me and I will get right on it. Nice day to you.

And get well soon Dazzle_2.

[Dazzle_2]

And get well soon Dazzle_2.

I,m on the up and up Cash thanks for your supportive words

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

Thats all good news Cash

I,ll rewrite the information in a fair and non partisan way and get it to you, my thanks for your understanding, also glad to hear you are gaining a team

Instead of rewriting it, I took out the detailed information about the diffrent factions to the patches. Belive it or not, were still finding stuff to update or change. We have new content in the forums and elsewhere aswell as several topics if anyone wants to drop their ideas in

Also we have had a little prankster sending complaints to webs about the site, this was the reply...

Spoiler: show

Dear Webs User,

When we receive complaints, we send a notification to the site owner prior to investigation as a courtesy. This allows the site owner to remove the content prior to our investigation, preventing account suspension. We do not always have clear information from the complainant. Sometimes the only thing we receive is an email with no body text and a subject line that reads "child porn." As you can understand, we must investigate all claims, and as you can imagine, a large volume of our hundreds of abuse notifications per day are fraudulant.

Your account was not suspended, meaning that we have performed our inveatigation and have not found any violations. We apologize for the inconvenience.

Best Regards,
Webs Abuse Department

So were all good and they can't touch us.

But it's good to hear your feeling better. See if you can spot anything else wrong for me, because i want everyhing to be correct.

[sunnyd]

Looks to me like there are some perhaps pissed off that you have chosen to hide your forum topics unless you are a signed in member, and so the "hate mail" begins because of the project they can't see, and they don't want to join the forum. They would rather cause issues and criticize.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

LoL i had to sign up here before i could post anything. Nothing to get pissy about. Not stoping anyone from hearing the news, thats what the home page is for. It's updated more than any page. Btw, were judging the entries from the logo contest... *crosses fingers* I made me a couple.

[sunnyd]

Glad to see you are maintaining a positive attitude.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

Hi everyone, just a reminder that we are continuing work on this project despite a few ridiculous objections, and we are also still seeking more programmers. Forums are now open on the website and client suggestions/ideas are now being taken. We are focusing more on a "new file sharing client" that works in older environments rather than taking over where someone left off 6 years ago. The client will not be called WinMX, but all suggestions for a new name will be considered in the near future. The website is coming along great, so feel free to check it out. http://www.winmxphoenix.webs.com/

I just wanted to post an update here, for all WinMX and OpenNap users to see. This project may take some time to complete, but we DO intend to reach our goal. Furthermore we ask that anyone who wishes to help out in any way, please join the website. We also ask that you help spread the word of this project and of winmx where ever you may go online.
Thank you

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

New update about the website. the home page has been slightly changed and we have dropped the script submission page in-light of just letting users post them in the forums. Chris has so kindly devoted his time to make a few exclusive additions to the website despite his on-going trouble with his ISP. We now have a one of a kind ASCII name maker on the site. To be seen here: http://winmxphoenix.webs.com/extrastuff.htm

Please check back as we plan to add some other items of interest to this page.

As always, we encourage any and all to join the website and to spread the word about our project. Please pass on the information to any room on wpn or opennap you may be a member in to help us further our attempts to bring p2p file sharing to a new level. We need all levels of expertise in several aspects (not all pertaining to WinMX) that we can collect and any effort by anyone will be appreciated.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

I have decided to change the topic to better suit the shift in the conversation. Sorry if this confuses anyone, but I felt that it would be a good change as I plan to keep our efforts updated here as well seeing as this is a highly used and respected forum. Please bear with us as at this time we are revising much of the website.

We invite you all to post in our forums too as well as to contribute to any tutorials you may have. You may e-mail us at: winmx_phoenix@yahoo.com with any questions or any items you may wish to contribute. Please notify us in the same message if you wish to recieve credit for your submissions/work and under what name.

We would also like to thank everyone who has so far helped out on this project in any way, be it direct help on the website or just simple information and suggestions.

[sunnyd]

I like the thread title change, and I am really pleased to see that the development on this new client is aimed at the different protocols that it can be used on, therefore appealing to all file sharers.

Cheers to Team Phoenix on the continued progress.

[Dazzle_2]

I,m concerned that "new client" means non compatible with existing network client, if that is the case I would question why your posting in this section on this forum, the reason why I,m looking at this from my own angle is that I,m seeing "mission creep" in your plans.
Rather than concentrating your efforts on a client your now seeking to build up a lot more, duplicating an already existing resource and I for one see this as a sign that client development is stalled or non-existent, now I would like to cut you a deal Cash I,ll keep it simple, remove the donations box from your site and I will pitch in to help you with your client, I know myself and a few others are very much concerned that your both asking folks to donate and yet asking for other folks to do all the work for nothing and in my opinion that's not a good message to be sending out to potential volunteers.

If its a voluntary effort then folks will respect the effort much more if no one is making revenue from it, I for one wont help someone earn on my work and that's the general concensus around the community, I,m also pretty sure your not earning anything from it with so little progress so there can be little reason to keep it and a positive reason to ditch it, post here to let me know your answer.

I finally tracked down the location you borrowed the text from that I took umbrage with in my original post in this thread, knot4phrophet's site, that explains the out of date info but not why you copied it

[sunnyd]

From the home page of his website...this seems pretty clear.

We have BIG plans for the future of p2p file sharing and networking. A new look-a-like WinMX client is being planned, one that will work with both the existing WPN protocol, and the OpenNap (SlavaNap server) protocol.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

Knotty is an acquaintance of mine, he had it ready, and no intrest in finishing it, lol. I will not refuse any help from anyone if it is competent. If you wish to add to or make any changes, please let us know in honor of keeping it up to date.

The donation box is there to pay for the website domain to make it ad free and gain some better features, which I am happy to say (altho it may not seem like much to alot of people) that we already have a $20 donation, which came from me personally. But...that does not matter, it will go away as soon as we purchase the domain name. I have another $20 promised from a good friend of mine also, and after that, it will only take another $9.95 to make the donation button go away. I intend to cover as much as I can myself. But I thank you for the offer to help regardless.

As for being compatible, we will try our best to make it so that it is 100% compatible with the existing WinMX versions while at the same time, we will be introducing new features that should not interfere at all. I am not a programmer, so I can not say for sure that all of the features that I have in mind for the new client will actually work. I am positive that we will be able to accomplish 80% of the improvements to it successfully.

As for some of the information on programmers, etc., you only know some of the information from what you see and hear, and until the time comes for the 3/4 mark on the production of it, everyone that is not involved will remain in the dark to most of it. Were not trying to be shady or deceitful about it, were just protecting what we are doing so we get no copycats trying to say they thought of it first.

[Dazzle_2]

Sunnyd I have seen the page change rather a few times now so I admit to not going to visit it and check it out every time Cash posts here, I was basing my concerns on the most recent post posted here that spoke of other protocols etc, Unfortunately I know of many folks that speak of new protocols and in all cases its been clear that they have only spoken that way because they have no information in depth regarding the current protocol, this becomes clear when we couple that with the words "open src", anyone who does have such knowledge is aware that its not going to be possible to deliver a primary client in open src without delivering a death blow to all existing primary clients due to serious protocol weaknesses that are with the end of frontcode/WinMX technologies impossible to fix.

Cash I,m not suggesting that your coining in any serious revenue as I,m certain you are not its just that p2p sites and money are a recipe for bad news and disaster and running it all with your own cash sidetracks both suspicion and liability, you cant be accused of making money from others when your not making money, I,m very pleased you have outlined your temporary revenue plans publicly, I will seek you out this week to see what help I can give you as a reward for your openness, my thanks for putting my concerns to bed.

[sunnyd]

Interesting, people are reading here almost immediately after he posts (which is a great thing), but not reading his website, which of course would change often due to this being an ongoing project.

As for, deeming your help as a "reward" for his openness, well, sorry, I tried very hard to refrain from commenting on that, but I feel a strong need to express my personal opinion. Your choice of the word "reward" sure seems a bit arrogant since it was others jumping to false conclusions when he has been open about this project all along. Anyone could have asked him, at any time, what the donation button was for without assuming it was done for inappropriate reasons. I also have a strong suspicion he is much more on top of things, and has already obtained much more information than you are willing to give him credit for. I'm just sayin'...

And no, this is not an argument, as my opinions may not be the same as his opinions at all.

[$$_BoguS-CasH_$$911]

so off the topic... Cant we all just get along?

[Dazzle_2]

Sunnyd you and I have had cross words before and I feel that's tainting your view of my postings, save yourself some time, I didnt come here to "spar" with anyone but simply to engage with Cash in a direction that will benefit both him and the WinMX community.
Perhaps reward may seem a bit pretentious to you (albeit an arbitrary word) but I know what I have to offer Cashs efforts and thus I am confident he will not be angry or upset that I asked a few questions and satisfied myself of his good will and continued commitment.

[sunnyd]

I reacted to what I read above, and nothing more than that. There are several people with excellent backgrounds on these protocols who are willing to offer support on this project, which I see as 100% positive.

Programmers don't even really need to know the past history, they can test and develop without knowing anything that took place prior. They just need to know what to test, and what needs to work where.