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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Paladwyn » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:21 pm

I don't wanna burst anyone's bubble...but all this good news has got me thinking...

What's next?

Be prepared for anything, but this is awesome news of somebody willing to help. Always knew Enigmax was gonna help these guys pull through. Stick together, stick to your guns and don't let their scare tactics get you worried.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Fenrix » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:30 pm

Paladwyn wrote:
What's next?



At the least, we will have a better idea from a bonifide solicitor of what chances DL have of winning their case.
At the most we may be able to get DL to go away and stop harrassing us.
At the worst, we will tip DLs hand to actually follow through with their threats.....
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby enigmax » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:31 pm

http://torrentfreak.com/alleged-uk-game ... ce-080825/

More info

i've been drinking some Polish beer which has had some unexpected effects upon my person, so please excuse any typos or missing words :pirate:
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby unhappy » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:46 pm

Fenrix wrote:
Paladwyn wrote:
What's next?



At the least, we will have a better idea from a bonifide solicitor of what chances DL have of winning their case.
At the most we may be able to get DL to go away and stop harrassing us.
At the worst, we will tip DLs hand to actually follow through with their threats.....


The important thing is something postive is happening and we not just sitting tight and waiting for DL to make their next move.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby enigmax » Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:35 pm

to those contacting me in a different way than I asked, please don't :) and do it in the way I asked. cheers
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby sharp910sh » Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:36 pm

We will fight this!
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Meek » Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:34 pm

Cheers Enigmax your an absolute star! Sorry I'm delayed in my post of appreciation for your work, but I've been away this weekend.
I won't send my info in to you to pass on to your contact atm as you seem to have enough already, but i'll be keeping an eye on what happens.

It looks good on many of us joining up in arms as well. I'll need to have a look to get a full count methinks. Enigmax's contact is an awesome start and I'm sure many people are thankfull, but there is still stuff we can do and organise.

Anyway I'll be back on the forums again, trying to sort some stuff out.

Cheers again Enigmax, I owe you some of that Polish beer :toast:
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby stupidman » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:13 am

thanks enigmax. from all of us. :toast:
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby enigmax » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:12 am

thanks for the nice comments everyone. Can I reiterate this please?

enigmax wrote:to those contacting me in a different way than I asked, please don't :) and do it in the way I asked. cheers


i.e, contact me via email

I need a central point where I can collate information and understand who i'm talking to and the history behind that. Although the Slyck pm system is functional, I need everything in one place, i.e my email account.

One other thing which will help when people are speaking to lawyers is clarity. I'm getting emails which ignore everything i've asked for and are just sent in the user's own style. I think if people ignore requests from the lawyer to do things in a particular way, they will find themselves without representation. In the meantime, i'm sorry but i'll have to ignore emails which ignore what I asked for, I simply don't have time to chase people. cheers

update: I believe our lawyer is already overloaded, at least currently. Maybe some other firm will step up too.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby aMIGA_dUDE » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:24 am

You should get free legal support from UK Government anyway.

It all down to McLibel case's.

I give you URL which tells in's and out's a lot better then I could ever do. It all happen at European Court of Human Rights so it should be European wide legal right.

http://www.mcspotlight.org/media/press/releases/msc150205.html
http://www.mcspotlight.org/
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Fenrix » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:39 am

Do you think its possible for the lawyers who are onboard to give out some blanket advice, address some of the points that EVERYONE seems to be using/needing. I think DL accuses everyone roughly the same way, the letters all seem to be very similar. Maybe if we can get blanket advice on the main parts of DLs case, that would help lots of people, without taking up too much of the lawyers time?

Also , if we could get a realistic ball park figure of costs for us to defend against DL on an individual basis from a bonafide lawyer, we could plan our defences accordingly?

Its great that a lawyer is willing to help, but its obvious thats theres thousands of people who need help and any lawyer who helps is going to be inundated with requests.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby dedd » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:21 am

This is a very interesting point - if a lawyer manages to make some head way with the case, prove that most of DL evidence is poor, and that a lot of people involved, including myself, have been wrongly accused of something and are not going to pay, then there is a good chance the lawyer (or the people they are representing) can provide a much more broad advice on what to do if they have receive a letter from DL.

As for me, although I am interested in seeing what a professional lawyer makes of this case, I'm hoping my own letters to DL should be enough to make then back down...

Enigmax has been a star at researching this information and providing a much less bios account than any other news source. Thanks!
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby dream pinball 3d lol » Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:27 am

realy good news well done enigmax,as its for certain dl are tramping all over the less fortunate people than themselves and seemingly delight in doing so,many people would be happy for all this to go away and forget about it but dl realy need to be held to account for there abuse of the legal system,logistep is still bugging me as a major weakness as far as dl are concerned,who gave them the right to monitor,who regulates them in the uk,
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Billy Smart » Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:24 pm

I am so glad that someone is willing to take up this case on behalf of the public.Perhaps a test case can hopefully stop this demanding money with menaces scam.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby SteveyG » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:26 am

Check it out:

FREE LEGAL SUPPORT aimed directly at defending against DL! Nice One ENIGMAX!

http://torrentfreak.com/alleged-uk-game ... ce-080825/

Rather than ALL of us emailing him, might I suggest that Enigmax introduces him to our PADL idea. He could be the legal support we need in our forum/site/organisation.
* "Davenport Lyons" and/or "Davenport-Lyons" and/or "Davenporn Lyons"
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby unhappy » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:40 pm

SteveyG wrote:Check it out:

FREE LEGAL SUPPORT aimed directly at defending against DL! Nice One ENIGMAX!

http://torrentfreak.com/alleged-uk-game ... ce-080825/

Rather than ALL of us emailing him, might I suggest that Enigmax introduces him to our PADL idea. He could be the legal support we need in our forum/site/organisation.

Stevey- Have you read earlier in this thread, when this was announced by Enigmax... ?
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby janhsel » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:51 pm

Hi all
I have been following the threads about DL in these forums
This new development is very good news. (Well done enigmax)
Although my wife has been sent letters demanding money, after she sent a first letter pointing out that nobody had downloaded the game.
She just kept and filed away all of the letters received that were demanding money and never replyed again
the letters were destroyed by a water flood, so we now have no records.
and wonder how would we be able to defend ourselves or use the services of a lawyer if we have no documents.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Paladwyn » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:14 pm

janhsel wrote:Hi all
I have been following the threads about DL in these forums
This new development is very good news. (Well done enigmax)
Although my wife has been sent letters demanding money, after she sent a first letter pointing out that nobody had downloaded the game.
She just kept and filed away all of the letters received that were demanding money and never replyed again
the letters were destroyed by a water flood, so we now have no records.
and wonder how would we be able to defend ourselves or use the services of a lawyer if we have no documents.


You could always trust they would have them...

hmm...
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby hipraptor » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:25 pm

enigmax wrote:Probably more than that Duracell...

Ok, since this guy has limited resources and I would prefer that the long-suffering ppl in this thread get first chance at support, please email me on enigmax[at]torrentfreak.com asap including your Slyck username and a link to your profile here. I think its fairer to let the people who have participated the most here get the first chance, so please - email me quickly! I'll be writing an article about this today so after that goes out, you could find yourself substantially down the queue for support.

update: i'm already overloaded with people so I don't think there its even possible to be 'fair' in this respect. apologies



Only just realised that things have been moved, email has been sent.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby hipraptor » Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:30 pm

Also nice to see that we have one common thread now, which I have been wanting for a while as it is a lot easier now to keep on the ball.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby tomos » Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:13 am

My pay up date is by this weekend , I have had the second letter stating thay have provided enough evidence etc ect ..
Whats the general feeling,,, Dont pay and write another letter again stating I did not download the file in question ?

I have emailed the lawyer, awaiting a reply. Maybe someone should show these pages to him, and he could post some general infomation, would be easier than the poor chap having to email hundreds of people :idea:


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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby thehaddock » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:41 am

ive been reading the posts in this forum for some time now but this is the first time i have ever posted, this is my story.
i returned from a family holiday to find a letter from d/l stating that they were writing to me, futher to there letter of claim and note that they have not heard further from me and that they have instructions from there client to issue court proceedings and that they were being prepared. i didnt have a clue what they were on about but after a little bit of digging i found this forum and others like it and realised that i had not received the original letter of claim. i imediatley replied to them denying there claim and telling them i had not recieved their 1st letter. a week later i recieved a copy of the 1st letter dated march 2008 (the second was dated may 2008) i sent them another letter stateing that i had not downloaded this game nor did i knowingly let anyone else download it using my unsecure wireless connection. i also stated that i would fight them all the way and would prepare a counter claim. their pay up or else date has come and gone (about 20 weeks ago) and i have heard nothing since.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby hipraptor » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:11 am

By the way I wonder what has happened to the Unemployed Polish woman she had to cough up £16,000 by the 25th yes?
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby PorkyPig » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:35 pm

I'm bewildered, if this woman is one of the default judgement cases and has never bothered to defend herself, where do the comments that she downloaded this game to share with her neighbours, her employment, nationality and motherhood status come from? plus her neighbours comments? where she was living, where she is living now?

NONE of this sounds genuine to me.

How is an unemployed mother of 2 expected to come up with £16,000?

I still believe that this is DL propaganda to intimidate people into paying up, especially those with apparently nothing to lose, if you have no income there is no point sueing you, DL are obviously trying to intimidate the less well off, in reality spending resources pursueing people with no chance of of payment is pointless.

DL obviously think this is a landmark case, i don't think so, if as threatened they send out their 25,000 threatening letters then the stakes will have significantly changed from 500 voices protesting innocence, their security better be good as i expect there'll be a few nasty characters with genuinely nothing to lose in amongst that 25,000!

I'm totally disgusted that the UK is the final resting place in Europe for these scumbags to operate, no chance of the present government rectifying anything.

Rather than Enigmax's lawyer taking on everyones case, I would rather see a selected few being given a good defence in court that would create a precedent against DL's appalling law firm, probably the most cynical and disgusting bunch of lawyers you'll find anywhere, they are a disgrace to their profession.
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Re: The new official Davenport-Lyons lawsuit thread

Postby Duracell » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:56 pm

PorkyPig wrote:...if as threatened they send out their 25,000 threatening letters...


Hmmm, 25,000... if as claimed 40-50% get scared and just pay up the £500 as they have done so far... that's £5,000,000 - £6,250,000 for just sending out letters. This has nothing to do with anti-piracy, it's just a money making exercise. In fact, I'm thinking of doing it myself. All I need to do is pluck some IP's out of the air and away I go.
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