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Postby relyt_12 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:16 pm

I was wondering if it is legal or not to download tv shows from irc. What are the security issues of using irc on my college network? I mean what would be logged if I use this to download tv shows. Can the admins see what is being downloaded? Thanks for the help!
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Postby LD50% » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:47 pm

No it's not legal if it's copyrighted content.

Yes the admins could see any thing you do, if they wanted to.

Maybe they don't want to, do you like to gamble?

If you log in to the college system with your own user and password it would not be hard to work out who does what.

The potential to cause yourself grief is probably not worth it.
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Postby zbeast » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:04 pm

If your in the USA.
The claim is that downloading for free copyrighted material is a violation of copyright.
That really does not matter to you.
what you need to worry about is whats your schools policy on downloading.
Some schools have policies against P2P applications.
Not really against IRC.
As Irc transfers look like just FTP transfers.
The data in an IRC transfer is sent in the clear.
It's not encrypted!.

So with all that said is it safe to use irc?
Well for me.
IRC was the only time I got a C&D from some guy who was trying to start a stop the down loaders business from inside his home.

Not I but others then decided to use his Internet connection and his computers as punching bags.

I say go for it, but Usenet is safer, I would use that first.
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Postby Fartingbob » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:15 pm

If your just downloading it wont be a legal matter, although most colleges probably would want you to stop if they saw you downloading all day. Get to know your admin, If they like you as a person, they'll be less likely to have a go at you. If your just another IP address on their screen, your odds are worse.
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Re: downloading tv episodes using irc at college

Postby Asuran » Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:47 pm

relyt_12 wrote:I was wondering if it is legal or not to download tv shows from irc. What are the security issues of using irc on my college network? I mean what would be logged if I use this to download tv shows. Can the admins see what is being downloaded? Thanks for the help!


Legality depends on where you live, but mere downloading is practically secure. I don't think your network admins will mind either as long as you keep your traffic amounts moderate, and perhaps time them outside the primetime.
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Postby Reggie p2p » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:16 pm

If you can receive it thru antenna it aint illegal to download. If it can transmit one way legally another way is the same thing.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:36 pm

lol reggie the courts, mpaa/riaa/fbi would totally
dissagree with you there my friend.

downloading anything is bad news these days

put it this way and this is how i see it too
i buy and pay for a tv licence every year
i then buy a £120 subscription to sky/braudband
a month.

now while im working or socialising i miss my shows
now if i am paying for it then im damn well going to make sure i get to see what i paid for be it download it or other means.

so yea tv shows you've paid for already to see should be fine but the reality of it it's not.

why should watching a tv show on my tv be legal
but 2 feet away watching it on my pc be illegal

screw em i say their not having it both ways.
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Postby Reggie p2p » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:39 pm

I paid $40 for a 30" tv and get free channels through antenna. All legal and everything that comes in is free for me to watch. VCR is hooked up but if i forget a tape one day i just download. No difference so I disagree with ur legal view.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:47 pm

its not my legal view its the law.

your obtaining copyrighted works from other people who do not own the copyright so even though you missed the show or got the show via the FREE airwaves you will still be dragged through a lawsuit if caught it is stupid but that is what has happened to hundreds of people and is the law.

if the copyright holders dont give the distrobution people the rights to distrobute then you are breaking the law.

who cares? i dont i couldn't give a rats arse
im with you on the FREE airwaves thing

your very very new here at slyck this topic you've raised has been braught up years ago mate its old topic

so free airwaves are for the tv not the pc
if the pc could pick it up then yes it would be legal
but if it cannot pick them up direct its not
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Postby Reggie p2p » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:52 pm

sheesh! everyone here is so feisty. I'm showing you proof that i get it free on antenna and how it is the same. It is not the law but only your interpretation of the law and one of them is wrong. Ok i re-read your post twice and i see HOW you came to the conclusion but also how you missed the point. FREE content is free to distribute. No one owns the airwaves. If you beam a frequency to Fartinbob and I'm in the middle I will intercept it and peek inside. If I want i'll copy and share it. No law says it is against the law.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:55 pm

your so wrong

no one owns the airwaves but someone owns the contents they are distrobuting via the airwaves!
you dont think it's just magically created do you?

just because it's free over the airwaves i'd like you to tell that to the hundreds who's been sued and have their lives and homes and family's destroyed because the MPAA and the authorities have taken them through expensive lawsuits and destroyed their lives.

you really need to learn the copyright laws bud
before start telling people who's been dealing with copyrights for many years they dont know what their talking about.
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Postby Fartingbob » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:58 pm

In america for example, even free to air shows are copyrighted. You need permission to distribute them still. And on P2P you dont have permission (unless the show has explicitly been allowed to be distrivuted by anybody using CC licence or simular), so there is a difference, legally.
I dont agree with it, like you i think if its freely avaialble on TV anyway i should be able to download it as well, but i cant. free TV uses advertising to generate its money, and it doesnt get that money from P2P, which is why they dont like it.
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Postby Reggie p2p » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:01 pm

:roll:

Let me explain it to you in a simple equation

Copyright owner --> Network/Cable Owner = Exchange - money for rights to air programming

Network/Cable Owner --> Cable/Satellite Provider = Exchange - money for rights to provide channels to customers.

Cable/Satellite Provider --> Customers = Exchange - money for channels.

Antenna + my TV = Exchange - nothing for ANY CHANNEL THAT IS BEAMED INTO MY SPACE!

As you can see, all the copyrighted issues are sorted out between the parties that start off this chain. YOU are the one who lacks knowledge of copyrights and frequencies. I get local programming for free and it don't matter how i get it since it is MY RIGHT TO GET IT. If i was in ur area i'd get ur local programming but i'm not, i'm in my area so I get mine. Get it now?

btw this reply is to GraphiX not fartinbob..didnt see ur post.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:18 pm

ok quite simple really

i've got friends who's ended up with lawsuits and threats from the industry who have used p2p and torrents to swap what you call FREE tv.

the lawsuits come between 10 million - 30 million
right the way down to 40,50 grand in these cases.

when they asked why as the shows we was sharing is free for TV the reply was this.

the industry makes a revenue and living providing shows with so many adverts during the shows

these adverts pays for the costing of the shows to be show to you for free.

downloading and sharing these shows un-officially means the ads are striped out and there is no official stats coming back from the networks involved.

without ads without network stats on shows watched
they then are giving away shows and getting nothing back.

why do you think they are making it impossible to skip and fast forward commercials on new dvds and tivo? it restricts you from doing this now.

so now you understand your not getting it for free via the airwaves the commercials are paying for it.

via p2p/torrents you are getting what is equiv as the boxsets no adverts no breaks no network statistics

if you dont understand this then sorry
you must be a child or younger and if thats the case
then its understandable.

as no adult would possible think they are giving away shows on AIR totally free all the time without them making money on them some how.

that wouldn't explain all the lawsuits and people getting sued if that was the case
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Postby Reggie p2p » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:26 pm

Ok seriously now ur really out of line. Outright lies to try to prove a point is not cool.

GraphiX wrote:ok quite simple really

i've got friends who's ended up with lawsuits and threats from the industry who have used p2p and torrents to swap what you call FREE tv.


the lawsuits come between 10 million - 30 million
right the way down to 40,50 grand in these cases.


OK stop right there. This is a lie. There has not been a lawsuit because of tv shows NEVERMIND free local shows!!! 10-30 million dollars??? Outrageous! Who do you think ur foolin? Not me.

GraphiX wrote:when they asked why as the shows we was sharing is free for TV the reply was this.

the industry makes a revenue and living providing shows with so many adverts during the shows

these adverts pays for the costing of the shows to be show to you for free.


Ur lying. Show me a newsclip and then i'll listen to what "they said".

GraphiX wrote:downloading and sharing these shows un-officially means the ads are striped out and there is no official stats coming back from the networks involved.


You still don't get it. I aint writing all that again so plz go back and examine my equation closely.

GraphiX wrote:without ads without network stats on shows watched
they then are giving away shows and getting nothing back.
GraphiX wrote:ide the point not to mention completely wrong.

GraphiX wrote:why do you think they are making it impossible to skip and fast forward commercials on new dvds and tivo? it restricts you from doing this now.


Different issue which I am NOT arguing against.

GraphiX wrote:so now you understand your not getting it for free via the airwaves the commercials are paying for it.


No NO it is YOU who does not understand the meaning of free. Free is free. EVERYONE knows that channels beamed in and INTERCEPTED via antenna are free of charge. I can have a party and everyone can watch for free. I can make copies! I can download copies and I can share copies. Fair use. Look it up!

GraphiX wrote:via p2p/torrents you are getting what is equiv as the boxsets no adverts no breaks no network statistics


Be more specific. Are you talkin movies, free local shows. WHAT??

GraphiX wrote:if you dont understand this then sorry
you must be a child or younger and if thats the case
then its understandable.


u know I was the bigger man and ignored when u first called me a kid. Now ur pushin it.

GraphiX wrote:as no adult would possible think they are giving away shows on AIR totally free all the time without them making money on them some how.

that wouldn't explain all the lawsuits and people getting sued if that was the case


U should go to the library and read up on what an antenna is and how it functions.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:40 pm

your miss informed and your just a trouble maker everyone can see it even people have posted about it before now.

contrats you've even probably made zim's list lol

i'd rather listen to the people i know who's been sued and slammed for copyrights on tv shows

since this is actually happened and i've heard it and seen letters with my own eyes i think i'll tend to go with their version since you dont know laws.

limewire,bearshare,morphous

they was the 3 networks i was talking about
30 million, 10 million etc etc...

if you want first hand people lets hope alex here
pops his head in soon as he WAS on national TV in the uk as the mpaa and riaa went after him from the usa and he is in the UK they destroyed his life and his family through stuff your saying is "legal"

just because it gets beamed into your tv doesn't mean you can legally go and re-download the same show and that all be perfectly fine lol

dont you think the networks would be offering this by now if it was totally free? why do you think they are making people pay 1.99 downloads per tv shows from the likes of itunes?

and if they was free to do what you wanted why are they wrapped in Restrictive DRM so you CANNOT copy them CANNOT share them etc..

i just cannot see how you cant see all this
you never seen news postings here and else where that has people complaining that its totally un-fair that you can watch the same show on a tv but when it comes to format shifting or timeshifting to another device i.e PC it then becomes wrong and against the law.


if the PC could recieve the signals then yes if the signals went directly into the PC it would be legal and no different than a TV.

but since your DOWNLOADING shows from people who are not the original Copyright owners or Original Creators that are not authorized to distrobute shows

then it is against the law in almost every country.

tell you what email the tv networks and ask them if you are legally allowed by law to download their shows from other sources other than them.

then see for yourself
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Postby endgame07 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:59 pm

Or all the people who have downloaded their favorite song they just listened to on a FREE over the air FM radio station and got sued.
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Postby GraphiX » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:09 pm

exactly man

if that was the case the wouldn't be hundreds up-on hundreds of lawsuits going on right now

i just dont see how he doesn't understand it
he seems like a clever guy looking at his other posts
unless he is just trying to cause a stir

new people come here and attack like a bull in a china shop its weird how they dont sit back and read past reports try to get to know and understand the feel of this community before slamming people who's been here years unlike their 5-6 days
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Postby jplus503 » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:10 pm

He's either greatly misinformed or trying to get a reaction.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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Postby Reggie p2p » Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:37 am

ok GraphiX ur now taking personal attacks on me. i asked U for a news clipping and you refused. Maybe u can fool other ppl but i see thru you completely. Again, everyone knows that there R free channels to be had thru antenna and I just refer back to my first post here. If U can get it free by antenna NO ONE can sue U for downloading the same show. i remove myself from this thread cuz i'm close to ripping U a new one graphics.
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Postby Fartingbob » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:24 am

Reggie p2p wrote:If U can get it free by antenna NO ONE can sue U for downloading the same show.

Ok, use that defence in court when you get sued for downloading and distributing copyrighted TV shows that were shown on a free TV channel.

Music is played via free radio stations. You cant however download/distribute all these songs just because they are on the radio. Thousands have been sued and forced to pay up because of this. You cant deny that fact.

Movies are shown on free TV channels. You cant however then go download/distribute these movies just because they are on TV. Again, many people (and many websites/software programs) have been sued because of this. You cant deny that fact.

What makes a TV show different from these? nothing.
Its copyrighted works, the TV stations have permission to distribute it, they pay money to do so. People on limewire do not pay for the right to distribute it.

Also, stop telling people you could go and "rip them a new one". Threats like that on the internet are what 12 year old kids do. Adults just forget about it because wuite honestly, who cares what people your never going to meet say about you to other people your not going to meet?
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Postby altpdend » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:33 am

GraphiX wrote:
that wouldn't explain all the lawsuits and people getting sued if that was the case



What lawsuits I am very ucrrent with the riaa/mpaa. No one has ever been sued for sharing tv shows online not saying it can't happen. As for your claim that mpaa has sued hunders at most the mpaa has sued 20 or 30 for sharing movies the riaa is the one that claims"they have sued hundreds",so fact that you say you have had friends who have been sued makes think you are just full of BS.
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Postby relyt_12 » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:45 am

LD50% wrote:Yes the admins could see any thing you do, if they wanted to.

Maybe they don't want to, do you like to gamble?

If you log in to the college system with your own user and password it would not be hard to work out who does what.

The potential to cause yourself grief is probably not worth it.


So they could easily see what files I was downloading if I tried to download something? I do have to log into the network to access the internet, but basically from the rest of the post on this it would simply be a bad idea to download TV shows at all. I really didn't mean to start an entire argument on the legality of this, I just assumed that it was okay to download TV shows, but I guess that is not the case since it is copyrighted.
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Postby YouCantSeeMe » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:12 pm

dude if you are truly just seeking information then the obvious answer is that tv shows are copywritten content that is illegal to download or share without the express written consent of the studio/network. if you want to be safe, dont pirate.
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Postby MrFredPFL » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:44 pm

YouCantSeeMe wrote:dude if you are truly just seeking information then the obvious answer is that tv shows are copywritten content that is illegal to download or share without the express written consent of the studio/network. if you want to be safe, dont pirate.


amen.
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