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Postby no_dammagE » Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:01 pm

Azureus is a good example how slow a Java application can be compared to


OpenOffice, Microsoft Office (both don't have stale hashing and other bells and whistles which consume a lot of power), older versions of Shareaza, Morpheus (dunno how it is now) and its derivates, ICQ, several IRC clients and a lot of others are good examples for badly programmed ahead-of-time compiled code.

That can be is very relative: you can program efficientely and you can forget about performance. Unfortunately a lot of java apps take the second way and voila we have the "java is slow" statement. Swing and SWT are a different story - if you'll use SWT with anything else, it won't be faster. I don't know how much core code is in Azureus' GUI part since that is the biggest factor if a GUI application is slow.

It also depends on how much RAM the application uses - if it just uses plain read() and loads whole files or in Azureus' case chunks into RAM - there is your problem. That's now java's problem, that is Azureus' problem and it seems that all other clients are doing it better by holding only several bytes of the file.

A JITC can profile and optimize the code so good that no single AOT compiler can even dream of. That's not theory, that's praxis. Well, I could proceed my list of slow applications - an eMule isn't really usable on a C400 anymore. Same for pretty everything that isn't called KaZaA and requires win32.

Unfortunately nearly all projects don't follow the rule of do one job, but do it good - giFT and mlDonkey are the two major exceptions. It isn't C/C++/Python/JRE/Ocaml/Pascal/.NET problem that code is slow, those are programmers bogous fingers. For every single player I called in the last sentense there is at least one implementation which is very performant.
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Postby thejynxed » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:54 am

bkman wrote:
thejynxed wrote:Mainline BT client. No wonder I boot it, it sucks. Not to mention if you click the news link on the official BitTorrent homepage, it uses...MySearch. Now, if that guy is stupid enough to use a known spyware company to host his search functions, his client DESERVES to be banned.


He created the effing protocol. :roll:


And I thank him for that, but that still doesn't change the fact that his client is shite and that his alliance with a known malware vendor is inexcusable.
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Postby xena » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:32 pm

the latest ver of utorrent 1.5 (download from official site) contain virus, it won't let you quit the program,
it will pop up again and ag ain...
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Postby cola » Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:41 pm

xena wrote:the latest ver of utorrent 1.5 (download from official site) contain virus, it won't let you quit the program,
it will pop up again and ag ain...


utorrent 1.5 adds proxy support NOT a virus. nobody else has experienced any problems. if you got a virus its not from installing utorrent. anyway how does not being able to quit the program indicate the presence of a virus??? it closes to the tray if asked. if there is a bug report it on the forums.
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Postby ToM » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:33 pm

xena wrote:the latest ver of utorrent 1.5 (download from official site) contain virus, it won't let you quit the program,
it will pop up again and ag ain...


No it doesn't. Perhaps a little research is in order before screaming 'virus' at the top of your voice.
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Postby grab_grab_the_haddock » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:05 pm

xena wrote:the latest ver of utorrent 1.5 (download from official site) contain virus, it won't let you quit the program,
it will pop up again and ag ain...


Excellent detective work xena.

Trust ToM to champion a p2p app which is laced with a virus.

In fact it was probably ToM who inserted the virus. I am betting it is some kind of backdoor which will allow ToM access to our PC so he can watch your porn.
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Postby Michael Jackson » Sun Oct 16, 2005 10:15 pm

have u ever tried playing doom 3 with azureus running??


I've played intensive games while using Azureus. I've also had other intensive applications open like Photoshop and eMule open at the same time while using Azureus.

I have a nice system, and Azureus doesn't get in the way.
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Postby carpefile » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:24 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:
have u ever tried playing doom 3 with azureus running??


I've played intensive games while using Azureus. I've also had other intensive applications open like Photoshop and eMule open at the same time while using Azureus.

I have a nice system, and Azureus doesn't get in the way.

LOL, my system won't even play doom3. Guess my system isn't so nice, but that is exactly why I appreciate the tiny footprint and resource usage of utorrent.
If you can run azureus with no hitches, more power to you, but not everyone can afford the latest maximum pc dream machine.

Whether you use it or not, you have to admit utorrent is an amazingly designed piece of software. I don't need or want the plethora of features in Azureus, I just need something simple that does one thing and does it well without raping my system in the process. :)
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Postby IceCube » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:10 am

xena wrote:the latest ver of utorrent 1.5 (download from official site) contain virus, it won't let you quit the program,
it will pop up again and ag ain...


Hmm, guess I'm not alone when I say I think it contains a virus now :? Though I detected a Gate Crasher Trojan (I'm not sure if it's the same thing or not... probably not)
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Postby napho » Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:06 pm

It might be a false positive. Norton is good at that. Maybe someone can test it on a site like this http://virusscan.jotti.org/


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Postby bkman » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:33 pm

Christ, stop being so paranoid. The app is just compressed with an exe packer.
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Postby Assyrian » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:09 pm

what is it with you guys saying its a virus? dont use it then.
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Postby BasicTek » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:45 pm

lol @people still trust Nortons

Nortons does more damage than good. Learn how to protect your PC without Nortons
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Postby seanssd » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:38 am

Fusen wrote:hmmm, everybody always bashes azureus, try updating your age old pc ;X

if azureus really is hurting your pc you might need to think about upgrading


That is ridiculous. Bitcomet runs PERFECTLY on my PIII-800 with 512MB PC133. Why should I spend money on a P-4 system with 1GB ram? To use one app? Crazy. My gaming system will remain my gaming system, and my Pentium-III system will continue to run Bitcomet and other apps simultaneously and flawlessly. You should never shell-out major cash to run one app when another one accomplishes the same goals without needless outlayings (e.g. Paint Shop Pro instead of Photoshop, Open Office instead of M$ Office, numerous security packages instead of Norton/Symantec offerings, etc.)

Azureus runs fine on my Mepis linux box, but I refuse to run such a resource-hungry, java piece of sh1t under XP. I'll try uTorrent, since I seem to have misunderstood early comments on it (I think people meant that downloads were slower than Azureus, which isn't totally client-dependent, while I took it to mean that uTorrent itself ran slower than Azureus, which would be a major feat.)
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Postby seanssd » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:52 am

no_dammagE wrote:That's so fucking untrue that that Azureus downfall is java core and that it requires resources to run stable. It is not java's fault that Azureus requires to much resources - it is the fact that the GUI is slow. While on Windows SWT works flawlessly, other widget sets for example GTK had to be penetrated to work the same was as intended.

That's the downfall - and that's not java's fault. Damn, SWT has been implemented using native code and that is C/C++ (I don't know which one actually).


I know two things: Azureus and Limewire suck horribly (donkey or camel d1ck-type sucking) under windows XP. I've seen Azureus run okay under Linux on a machine on which it sucked under windows, so maybe java per se is not to blame. But man, most java apps I've seen running on windows machines are TERRIBLE!
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Postby coleisgone » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:06 am

Version 1.1.7 is now out on uTorrent :D
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Postby JiMiThInG » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:56 pm

I think this is a real quality client. I've been a Bit Comet users for a long time but after a short testing period I found that utorrent is for me. Its super light, has all the features I want in a client, and a nice clean GUI. I've always been a fan of light on system resources and a simple strait forward GUI, it delevers both.
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