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Postby keemosabi » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:56 am

If using a well-known Usenet service provider, is it possible to get crap from copyright companies for downloading "various" things?
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby HouseCrowd » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:33 am

Possible? Maybe .... Likely? No.

What you download from usenet is known only to you, your NSP and your ISP (and not even your ISP if you use encryption).

For someone else to find out what you've been downloading, they'd have to have access to NSP/ISP logs, which is unlikely unless you were under investigation for some serious crime. Besides, it's generally uploaders that they're after, since they're the ones doing the distributing. With peer to peer file sharing, uploading is usually an unavoidable and necessary part of the downloading process. By contrast, with usenet you don't upload files unless you specifically choose to.
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby gorlov » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:42 am

Not even the NSP knows what you're downloading. NSP:s keep byte logs to keep track of the number of bytes downloaded, but noone keeps download logs detailing what is downloaded, or by whom.

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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby Fartingbob » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:32 am

And ISP's will only know the protocol and amount your downloading, not what you are.
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby keemosabi » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:48 pm

HouseCrowd wrote:Possible? Maybe .... Likely? No.

What you download from usenet is known only to you, your NSP and your ISP (and not even your ISP if you use encryption).

For someone else to find out what you've been downloading, they'd have to have access to NSP/ISP logs, which is unlikely unless you were under investigation for some serious crime. Besides, it's generally uploaders that they're after, since they're the ones doing the distributing. With peer to peer file sharing, uploading is usually an unavoidable and necessary part of the downloading process. By contrast, with usenet you don't upload files unless you specifically choose to.


gorlov wrote:Not even the NSP knows what you're downloading. NSP:s keep byte logs to keep track of the number of bytes downloaded, but noone keeps download logs detailing what is downloaded, or by whom.

--Goran


Fartingbob wrote:And ISP's will only know the protocol and amount your downloading, not what you are.

Alright, thank you for the responses everyone. They are much appreciated since I have only just started exploring Usenet. It seems like Usenet provides much more privacy than does Bittorrent.

How do the various copyright companies go after uploaders? Wouldn't they need to get logs from either the ISP or NSP, and how do they know what IP's to request logs for?
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby SleepyOne » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:37 pm

How do the various copyright companies go after uploaders? Wouldn't they need to get logs from either the ISP or NSP, and how do they know what IP's to request logs for?


All messages posted to usenet have a header, they look at where the message(s) originate from, contact the usenet provider and get the details, provided that they have a proper court order to do so.
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby keemosabi » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:07 am

SleepyOne wrote:All messages posted to usenet have a header, they look at where the message(s) originate from, contact the usenet provider and get the details, provided that they have a proper court order to do so.

So basically if you don't upload, the copyright companies don't even know to go after you unless they have NSP logs?
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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby ejonesss » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:30 am

unless you are on an unlimited plan.

unlimited plans would not require logging of the downloads.


gorlov wrote:Not even the NSP knows what you're downloading. NSP:s keep byte logs to keep track of the number of bytes downloaded, but noone keeps download logs detailing what is downloaded, or by whom.

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Re: Usenet Privacy

Postby SleepyOne » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:39 am

keemosabi wrote:So basically if you don't upload, the copyright companies don't even know to go after you unless they have NSP logs?


Correct.
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