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Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby pbjorge12 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:01 am

Hey guys -

Alright so I just got an email today about using too much bandwidth from my university. Can any of you give me some tips to avoiding this happening again?

Network monitoring tools have found that a computer tied to your NetID is among the top consumers in student housing. Your computer is using over 1 percent of the total bandwidth allotted for all 5500 residents. Combined, the top ten network users are taking up 12 percent of the total bandwidth.


I usually download at max speed (2000 kbps) anytime of the day. Will throttling that down and doing it during the night help me evade suspicion? What are your thoughts usenet experts?
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Fartingbob » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:11 am

pbjorge12 wrote:Hey guys -

Alright so I just got an email today about using too much bandwidth from my university. Can any of you give me some tips to avoiding this happening again?
Yes, download less.

I usually download at max speed (2000 kbps) anytime of the day. Will throttling that down and doing it during the night help me evade suspicion? What are your thoughts usenet experts?

Total bandwidth usage isnt that important to ISP's, its when you use it. I only download from usenet during off peak which still allows me a reasonable 16+ hours a day and my ISP has not complained yet.

Also, since the ISP is your uni try talking to whoever is in charge of the network and they'll probably be more than happy to tell you when to cut down or by how much.
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby pbjorge12 » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:23 am

Well what sort of legitimate reasons can I give as to why I'm using so much when I have this discussion you think?
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby midbc » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:51 am

pbjorge12 wrote:Well what sort of legitimate reasons can I give as to why I'm using so much when I have this discussion you think?

i think they would already know or have a good idea of what you have been burning up the bandwidth on
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Fartingbob » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:17 am

pbjorge12 wrote:Well what sort of legitimate reasons can I give as to why I'm using so much when I have this discussion you think?

They dont care. Dont tell them and they wont ask.
ISP's only care about the numbers, not the content. Also since you said you use usenet if anyone asks you can tell them that downloading copyrighted media is perfectly fine in every regard in the US. Its uploading (distribution) that can get you sued. I would strongely suggest you talk to the network admin, he'll give you good advice so that you can continue to download without fear. Also being friends with the person who decides who is using too much will never hurt.
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby BiG » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:57 am

pbjorge12 wrote:Well what sort of legitimate reasons can I give as to why I'm using so much when I have this discussion you think?

Can't help you with legitimate but I've found that if asked just straight-up tell them you download porn (whether you do or not) and that pretty much takes care of it... :mrgreen:
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby ZepTALicA » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:49 pm

Be warned that total bandwidth is important to *cable* ISPs. I got kicked off of Comcast for downloading too much. I think it was the torrenting that did it, not newsgroups, although it seems like you can download a whole lot more, faster from newsgroups (which is why I use them whenever possible over bittorrent).
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Overnet User » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:44 am

"Fartingbob"
Total bandwidth usage isnt that important to ISP's, its when you use it.


I wouldn't agree with that statement. Although I would argue that my current provider is not sufficient to be labeled as a broadband provider, they will not sell me a faster line b/c they say that I would kill the company b/c of my usage. I was under the impression that you can not sell something that you can not provide while in the US. Apparently they offer unlimited service but can not provide unlimited service. They tell me that I use too much bandwidth so they limited my speed to 384 kbs. I did have a 1.5 mb line. They told me that I have used 500 gigs and that they can not provide me with a 1.5 line because of this. (I use alot they say) I asked them before I signed up if they have a limit on the connection and they said no. They said that they have no caps. I don't think this is legal to sell a service to everyone else while refusing a customer saying he uses too much. Does anyone know of someone to talk to about this such as fcc or whatnot? I am going to have to move to a bigger place to get decent broadband because of this I am assuming. The bad thing about it is that the internet tower is only about 500 feet (if even that) from my house. I usually use the internet cafe which provides 7.2 mb and 1.5 mb up since my line is soo slow now where I am located at my house. I plan to be out of this area in a few months b/c of the slow broadband speed if nothing changes. I can not live without hi speed internet at home.

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pbjorge12 wrote:Well what sort of legitimate reasons can I give as to why I'm using so much when I have this discussion you think?

i think they would already know or have a good idea of what you have been burning up the bandwidth on


You could be perfectly clear to them and just them that you have a newsgroup account or run bit torrent. If they decide to get onto you about either, just tell them that they are perfectly legal applications and that I'm sure that the movie industry would be thrilled that you are telling me that I can't have my movies (as they have backed bit torrent.com 's creator) and have said that this is the thing to use. Whether your traffic is "legit" or not doesn't matter. Perhaps the entertainment industry would like to go after your provider for getting onto you about using your "approved" program. Use your cards such as this when you get a chance.

Also since most traffic I am assuming is obfuscated or perhaps ssl also, the isp usually doesn't know what it is. This is not always the case but in the case with my isp, that is is the case. They say that they can't tell what the heck it is. It just looks like a bunch of data going across. On the wi-fi same thing as for its over a vpn.

I would also ask them about how much that they are supposed to provide and if there is a limit. If they say no then ask them why they are getting onto to you. If they say unlimited, same thing. I would also look into getting a different provider.
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Thomas Davie » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:16 pm

Bandwidth consumption is a concern. I received a lifetime ban from Shaw Cable for downloading too much. I've also received a lifetime ban from the Unix system for almost the same thing (when you went over your mail/account limit, everythign you trasnsferred goes into the Unix trash, and I was caught/monitored downloading encrypted 50 mb files).

Your mielage may vary, but if you want to keep your access, download less.

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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby zbeast » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:48 pm

if your downloading at 2mb.. you may want to cap your own speed...
The speed your downloading at is whats causing the trouble.
When you download at full rate over a shared connection you cause all kinds of troubles
for uses on the same link. People get kind of unhappy when the network ping times are in the 800ms range.

Cap your speeds, download less stuff during "prime hours"... then you and your network
managers will get along.
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Overnet User » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:58 pm

Thomas Davie wrote:And I was caught/monitored downloading encrypted 50 mb files).

Your mileage may vary, but if you want to keep your access, download less.

Tom


That size is like super small or were you downloading like 1000 50mb encrypted files? Also if it was encrypted, I don't see the problem as for no one can see what the heck it is. This is more common nowadays as for people going anonymous and whatnot. People don't want to be tracked and I don't blame them. Heck everyone should go encryption (as for hard drives are actually coming with encryption but don't forget about that government backdoor though with some of the hard drives though). I say just install your own encryption (after you have researched & whatnot to see if there is not some backdoor somewhere). Remember, one point of failure is a total point of failure as far as encryption goes. If it can be read by another without furnishing the password or whatever, it is not true encryption if it was supposed to be encrypted. I wonder how many of those supposedly encrypted hard drives on the shelf the government has opened provided that they have a backdoor and used it for whatever their fancy was be it suing, information, hit squad, raids, etc?
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby Dreamcast » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:37 am

ISP's don't care what you download, as long as their legal department isn't getting any letters.

Although, it might be worth seeing what the prices and terms of a business line in your area would cost. My cable company charges 20 USD extra for a "business class" line with no cap. It has the same speed as residential. The other upside is the customer support is waaay better. No scripted tech shit from the person on the phone.
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Re: Using Too Much Bandwidth

Postby HEAT84 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:51 am

You could also just become good friends with the school's network administrator. 8)
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