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Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby cjones666 » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:14 pm

Hi,

I've been a long time user of newsfeeds.com and since last week I have been unable to access any MP3 binary groups. It appears that they have removed them as my newsreader is giving a 411 error ("group does not exist"). Does anyone know what may have happened here? Multiple queries to Newsfeeds support has had zero response.


Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby cjones666 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:49 pm

So, I'm guessing that no one else has encountered this issue (or that no one uses Newsfeeds.com)

Anyhow, still no word back from Newsfeeds on why they seem to have removed all mp3 groups from their servers. I'll probably be ditching them and moving to Giganews or back to Easynews.

Does anyone know if there might have been some legal action against Newsfeeds from RIAA or something like that? It's been awhile since I heard anything on the current Usenet case....

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby cpu » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:21 am

Newsfeeds.com = Usenet.com
Both are the same servers, just different brands, run by the same Russian mafia, for the sole benefit of being able to spam their own porn sites as much as they want.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby keschnitzler » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:04 am

Hi folks,
ive made the same experience with newsfeeds - since more than 2 weeks all the music related groups encounter an 411 error, cause theire no longer available, even they were listed in the group list of newsfeeds. i'm member since more than 4 years without having any probs, but now its definitly impossible to keep in contact with these folks. ive send 4 member requests for support, all of them have been set to finished within hours, but without beeing treated :pissedoff:

i think now a days they only guarantee the fees - looking for a new server, which one can you recommend??? :pissedoff:

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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby cjones666 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:05 pm

If they are indeed the same as Usenet, that is just another good reason to jump ship to another provider. I'm guessing they dropped the mp3 groups due to the litigation open against them by the RIAA. I wouldn't be surprised if they settled out of court with them and removing those groups was part of the bargain...

Anyhow, moved to giganews and so far I am loving it...

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby tecdept » Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:13 am

same here. on newsfeeds since many years, always good service. up until some weeks ago all the mp3 groups are gone. no explanation what so ever, nor on their website or via support. support gives no answer at all. very bad, have to say goodbye.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby chrish2a » Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:37 pm

Anybody know anything about newsfeeds.com? I've tried emailing them - no response. I tried calling and got a msg that says don't leave a msg, contact via email. Have they gone out of business???
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby fernandose » Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:44 am

yeah newsfeeds is just another highwinds reseller and could be related to the megabitz problem.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby chainmail » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:00 pm

fernandose wrote:yeah newsfeeds is just another highwinds reseller and could be related to the megabitz problem.

The Megabitz problems don't appear to originate from Highwinds' back-end servers, since only Megabitz users seem to be affected, and not any other resellers.

Although also a retail seller, Newsfeeds is a back-end provider, like Highwinds, but has no connection to the Highwinds owned-servers or relation the companies that run them.

Newsfeeds used to have a lot of resellers, but it seemed that most resellers in general (using various backends such as Supernews, Newsfeeds, etc) switched in 2006 to Highwinds, at a time when Highwinds matched Giganews in the retention race.

I think that all the Newsfeeds "resellers" today, such as Usenet.com are owned by Newsfeeds itself. This might explain why, when Usenet.com was sued by the RIAA for steering users to [infringing] MP3s, Newsfeeds took down their own MP3 groups.

Compared to other providers today, Newsfeeds has very short retention in the big groups, details of which they are secretive about, though they were once good for MP3s. So it seems Newsfeeds might be a poor choice even for deaf people.

chrish2a wrote:Anybody know anything about newsfeeds.com? I've tried emailing them - no response. I tried calling and got a msg that says don't leave a msg, contact via email. Have they gone out of business???


I think they might be out of business soon, losing customers since they stopped offering any MP3 groups (apparently even karaoke groups) plus the expense of their lawsuit with the RIAA.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby fernandose » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:30 pm

chainmail wrote:
fernandose wrote:yeah newsfeeds is just another highwinds reseller and could be related to the megabitz problem.

The Megabitz problems don't appear to originate from Highwinds' back-end servers, since only Megabitz users seem to be affected, and not any other resellers.

Although also a retail seller, Newsfeeds is a back-end provider, like Highwinds, but has no connection to the Highwinds owned-servers or relation the companies that run them.

Newsfeeds used to have a lot of resellers, but it seemed that most resellers in general (using various backends such as Supernews, Newsfeeds, etc) switched in 2006 to Highwinds, at a time when Highwinds matched Giganews in the retention race.

I think that all the Newsfeeds "resellers" today, such as Usenet.com are owned by Newsfeeds itself. This might explain why, when Usenet.com was sued by the RIAA for steering users to [infringing] MP3s, Newsfeeds took down their own MP3 groups.

Compared to other providers today, Newsfeeds has very short retention in the big groups, details of which they are secretive about, though they were once good for MP3s. So it seems Newsfeeds might be a poor choice even for deaf people.

chrish2a wrote:Anybody know anything about newsfeeds.com? I've tried emailing them - no response. I tried calling and got a msg that says don't leave a msg, contact via email. Have they gone out of business???


I think they might be out of business soon, losing customers since they stopped offering any MP3 groups (apparently even karaoke groups) plus the expense of their lawsuit with the RIAA.


Thats interesting because newsfeeds appears to be a highwinds reseller to me, check your traceroute.

Code: Select all
--- PING newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com (69.16.185.247) 56(84) bytes of data. ---
64 bytes from 69.16.185.247: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=98.3 ms
64 bytes from 69.16.185.247: icmp_seq=2 ttl=58 time=98.0 ms
64 bytes from 69.16.185.247: icmp_seq=3 ttl=58 time=98.2 ms
64 bytes from 69.16.185.247: icmp_seq=4 ttl=58 time=98.0 ms


--- newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com ping statistics ---
packets transmitted    4
received    4
packet loss    0 %
time    3001 ms


--- Round Trip Time (rtt) ---
min    98.065 ms
avg    98.185 ms
max    98.356 ms
mdev    0.401 ms
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby chainmail » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:04 pm

Yes, Newsfeeds appears to be a highwinds reseller indeed. That's surprising, I wonder when they switched from using their own backend servers? It's interesting that Usenet.com, which was a Newsfeeds "reseller", has a completely different traceroute from Newsfeeds.com. (as I understand that they are both owned by the same company.) I also threw in the stats on usenetserver.com, a Highwinds-owned server, for comparison.

news.usenet.com (news.newsgroups.com is virtually identical)
TraceRoute to 38.119.106.45 [fnews-east.usenet.com]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 13 11 6 72.249.0.65 -
2 11 16 7 8.9.232.73 te-3-4.car1.dallas1.level3.net
3 155 208 205 4.68.19.69 ae-23-79.car3.dallas1.level3.net
4 7 13 6 4.68.110.110 cogent-comm.car3.dallas1.level3.net
5 7 11 7 66.28.4.173 te9-1.mpd01.dfw01.atlas.cogentco.com
6 14 12 13 154.54.2.13 te8-3.mpd01.iah01.atlas.cogentco.com
7 51 48 46 154.54.2.145 te2-2.mpd01.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com
8 159 47 46 154.54.1.70 te8-1.mpd01.dca02.atlas.cogentco.com
9 48 54 58 154.54.7.94 vl3489.mpd01.iad03.atlas.cogentco.com
10 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
11 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
12 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
13 Timed out Timed out Timed out -
Trace aborted.


news.newsfeeds.com
TraceRoute to 69.16.185.250 [newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 12 15 11 72.249.0.65 -
2 9 7 6 8.9.232.73 te-3-4.car1.dallas1.level3.net
3 6 15 18 4.68.19.254 vlan99.csw4.dallas1.level3.net
4 16 13 18 4.69.136.165 ae-93-93.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net
5 27 31 35 4.69.134.22 ae-7.ebr3.atlanta2.level3.net
6 54 39 53 4.69.132.86 ae-2.ebr1.washington1.level3.net
7 49 50 54 4.69.134.130 ae-61-61.csw1.washington1.level3.net
8 41 40 41 4.68.17.19 ae-1-69.edge2.washington4.level3.net
9 46 41 44 4.53.114.2 highwinds-n.edge2.washington4.level3.net
10 41 43 41 69.16.190.30 ve1008.ar1.dc1.hwng.net
11 42 41 41 69.16.186.118 -
12 42 41 43 69.16.185.250 -
Trace complete


news.usenetserver.com
TraceRoute to 208.49.82.187 [news.usenetserver.com]
Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name
1 26 10 10 72.249.0.65 -
2 20 7 8 207.88.185.37 207.88.185.37.ptr.us.xo.net
3 9 16 12 65.106.4.233 65.106.4.233.ptr.us.xo.net
4 14 6 6 206.111.5.42 206.111.5.42.ptr.us.xo.net
5 53 49 51 208.50.254.150 gblx10gig.core2.usenetserver.com
6 51 52 51 69.16.190.50 unknown.hwng.net
7 50 49 49 208.49.83.210 10ge2-1.core1.usenetserver.com
8 58 46 50 208.49.82.187 nntp9.usenetserver.com
Trace complete


usenet.com website wrote:Usenet now offers over 300 Terabytes of quality Usenet files, up to 150 Days Binary Retention, and non-expiring text retention.

Newsgroups.com site has essentially the same message. 300TB works out to about 85 days retention overall (at the current 3.5TB/day posted) but to get "up to 150 days binary retention" that means they are obviously cutting back retention on some groups to increase retention of other groups. That's what Usenet.com and Newsfeeds always did before. Highwinds, in contrast, offers a constant 105 day(approx) retention across all groups.

So it seems that Usenet.com and Newsgroups.com might still be using the *old* Newsfeeds server, (or possibly even the *old* "up to 150 days retention" Supernews server?) while Newsfeeds' NSP service (one of the oldest pay-providers) has switched to Highwinds servers.

This whole episode of wife-swapping is confusing to me.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby chrish2a » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:14 pm

in regards to newsfeeds.com. Got ahold of the credit card company last week, told them haven't been able to contact the company, by phone or email. They said they check and call back after 48 hrs. They were unable to make contact, they reversed my cc charges and would drop my account.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby jamesmed » Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:17 pm

I tried to subscribe to newsfeeds.com in october, when processing my payment a received several messages that informed me that my payment couldnt be processed, however this is the third month they have charged my credit card (4 charges each month) they do not answer e mails, or support forms, I ve already tried to cancel directly form the payment processor (usaepay) but they are not helping much either, they only have gave the numbers and addresses of newsfeeds.con that I already have, any ideas on how to cancel this charges? whats a good newsgrouops server option?
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby mrmax » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:40 pm

Well as of Aug 4, newsfeeds.com is no more. Here's what the members login page says:

To All Newsfeeds.com Inc Subscribers We want to thank you for your patronage, but after 12 years of providing Usenet access it is with regret that we will shutting our doors today. We will be providing refunds until the end of August. If you have signed up with an account at Newsfeeds.com in the past 30 days and require a refund please send your request to our support department Sincerely Newsfeeds.com Inc

The main web page doesn't say anything about being closed.
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Re: Newsfeeds.com and mp3 binary groups

Postby NewsgroupReviews » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:52 pm

Usenet.com, Newsgroups.com, Newsfeeds.com = R.I.P.
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