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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby concerned100 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:11 pm

'If you read through the judgement it's clear that there will be far more controls on this one than there were on the others. Also it seems clear that a bare denial will suffice in cutting them dead.'

Yes, my comments were really directed at those who might never have heard of speculative invoicing so we will just have to see how things develop.

In theory a bare denial should have cut Crossley dead but it didn't, he refused to accept anything that looked like a 'template' letter of denial, and kept up pursuit. Anyway, it's early days and hopefully this one won't get far.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby JustInterested » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:19 pm

concerned100 wrote:In theory a bare denial should have cut Crossley dead but it didn't, he refused to accept anything that looked like a 'template' letter of denial, and kept up pursuit.


And he now has to pay £76,000 in costs to the SRA and is suspended for two years from practice. A travesty of justice to be sure, he should have been struck off, but the signs are good.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Mullard47 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:34 pm

concerned100 wrote:'If you read through the judgement it's clear that there will be far more controls on this one than there were on the others. Also it seems clear that a bare denial will suffice in cutting them dead.'

Yes, my comments were really directed at those who might never have heard of speculative invoicing so we will just have to see how things develop.

In theory a bare denial should have cut Crossley dead but it didn't, he refused to accept anything that looked like a 'template' letter of denial, and kept up pursuit. Anyway, it's early days and hopefully this one won't get far.


Quite honestly, I suspect that a Letter of Claim which properly addresses all of the issues and uncertainties exposed in that judgment is going to read more like a begging letter from a charity, than a Letter of Claim from a wronged party.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby my2pworth » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:09 pm

Here`s Michael Coyle @ Lawdit`s take on on the latest Ben Dover / GEIL stuation :thumbup: & :thumbdn:

So what do we make of this?

I did not think this type of litigation would be back on the agenda so quickly after the ACS Law/Media Cat scam. However it does seem that Ben Dover and his pals are intent on sending out the letters and subject to them putting their house in order over the draft letter it is expected to create the same media storm and client worry as the last time.

The good news is the £700 has been denied the Claimant and each Defendant will have to negotiate the payment of a sum individually. The bad news is many clients will not be able to stomach the round of correspondences and so will pay the porn men money in damages they may not be entitled to. Thereafter more Claimants will follow suit and off we go again.

Michael Coyle and Lawdit spent three years fighting Intended Defendants and represented over 600 clients in their battles with Davenport Lyons, and then ACS Law. You can contact him on michael.coyle@lawdit.co.uk or via his office line of 44 (0) 2380 235979

More @ http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/ro ... -claim.htm
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby ACS SORE » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:52 pm

Who is Golden Eye trying to kid? As a victim of bully boy fat man, I really hope that those that who have these letters drop through the letter box, just write back and tell Mr. Dover to get on his bike. It was made very clear after the ACS joke that they can not prove that anyone is guilty of this. In my opinion, this is nothing short of a scam. I think the judge knows this. Yet, of course he is bound by the law.

£700 for a dodgy download. Golden Eye are making total idiots of them selves. I honestly feel for those that are not clued up on how this rubbish works. Oh please Mr. Dover, please send me a claim.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Hickster » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:14 pm

Hello, and wow, the communty is back and reignited....Cool

I dont have a page RE: Ali Torabi, although I can certainly do one.

I dont think GEIL are in the same league as ACS:LAW, so what does that make them?

I think Mullard is right, their letter will be like a begging letter,

(This porn producer is down on his luck, his wife has left him and his films arent selling, so he has employed a discredited person A.Torabi who uses an open source torrent app, called transmission, and has altered the code and called it Xtrack to pretend he can id people downloading his films that are so crap noone is buying them. Of course as Transmission is open source Mr Torabi will allow people to look at the code of what he has done as per the Open Source License..

You have been selected by A.Torabis "Magic Box" and so we need you to send some money to this poor man whose career is in the dumps.....


Well you get the picture.

I truly think yes he got the NP granted, I felt that could well happen, HOWEVER now he has got that the next step will be more difficult. If he sends a letter and someone say "F$%^K Off, you sad old porn twat", then I dont think he would have much to go on, ACS:LAWs Adam Glen said they could at best get the proce of the individual title IF the person is guilty after all, how many innocent people were accused in the past.

Imagine if a case came up in front of Judge Birss, and was actualy a doable case and did not fall apart because the Law Firm involved were such incompetent twats, then that would indeed be interesting, to have a proper judgement

I think also maybe just maybe Goldeneye might not have a viable business plan now that the Judge has limited the NP to just Mr Dover!

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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby JustInterested » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:43 pm

my2pworth wrote:Here`s Michael Coyle @ Lawdit`s take on on the latest Ben Dover / GEIL stuation :thumbup: & :thumbdn:

So what do we make of this?

I did not think this type of litigation would be back on the agenda so quickly after the ACS Law/Media Cat scam. However it does seem that Ben Dover and his pals are intent on sending out the letters and subject to them putting their house in order over the draft letter it is expected to create the same media storm and client worry as the last time.

The good news is the £700 has been denied the Claimant and each Defendant will have to negotiate the payment of a sum individually. The bad news is many clients will not be able to stomach the round of correspondences and so will pay the porn men money in damages they may not be entitled to. Thereafter more Claimants will follow suit and off we go again.

Michael Coyle and Lawdit spent three years fighting Intended Defendants and represented over 600 clients in their battles with Davenport Lyons, and then ACS Law. You can contact him on michael.coyle@lawdit.co.uk or via his office line of 44 (0) 2380 235979

More @ http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/ro ... -claim.htm


As I tried to make clear before, this one is all bluff and bravado. Read carefully through the judgement and it is hard to find anything to contradict the defence of a bare denial should you be unlucky enough to receive a letter of claim from these scam-meisters, whether you are guilty or not. They say themselves that a test case would be cost prohibitive. All you have to do is do nothing...other than reply with a 'not guilty Sir'.

The only issue outstanding is how to inform the poor unenlightened that this is how to respond. Hickster's blog is a good start and , of course, this forum, but when GEIL and threat or court or porn or any other combination is entered into a search engine, the top ranking site should always be one that directs to a response of bare denial.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby JustInterested » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:47 pm

Hickster wrote:I dont have a page RE: Ali Torabi, although I can certainly do one.


I am truly surprised. He is a major player in this affair and it seems only right that he should share infamy with the likes of Jintin, Crossley et al.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Hickster » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:52 pm

JustInterested wrote:
Hickster wrote:I dont have a page RE: Ali Torabi, although I can certainly do one.


I am truly surprised. He is a major player in this affair and it seems only right that he should share infamy with the likes of Jintin, Crossley et al.


I agree, so you agree to help?

lol I am looking at doing a Golden Eye - The players" page, much like I did, RE ACS:LAW (http://acsbore.wordpress.com/the-player ... d-friends/). I do have some info on Torabi posted on my Blog, but I have been so busy in RL, so would be nice of some of you guys could email me with some nice nuggets.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby concerned100 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:07 pm

'Quite honestly, I suspect that a Letter of Claim which properly addresses all of the issues and uncertainties exposed in that judgment is going to read more like a begging letter from a charity, than a Letter of Claim from a wronged party.'

Let's hope that's the case. Anyway, we will soon see.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby bpaw » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:01 am

Googling “goldeneye“ gives you all the bond film crap, and it is only when you use “golden international” do you get these shysters and then the truth about these shysters. Let’s hope the innocents type the full name when searching.

Would it be worth changing this thread title, if possible, from “Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion” to “Re: Official Goldeneye/ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion”? I remember when I googled ACS:Law, I knew I found the right help by seeing the thread title.

You know your screwed with you ISP when you go to get help on their website on securing your wifi, just like HERE.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby concerned100 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:34 am

bpaw wrote:Googling “goldeneye“ gives you all the bond film crap, and it is only when you use “golden international” do you get these shysters and then the truth about these shysters. Let’s hope the innocents type the full name when searching.

Would it be worth changing this thread title, if possible, from “Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion” to “Re: Official Goldeneye/ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion”? I remember when I googled ACS:Law, I knew I found the right help by seeing the thread title.

You know your screwed with you ISP when you go to get help on their website on securing your wifi, just like HERE.


I think it's a good idea to change the name of the thread to include Golden Eye (and Goldeneye) so a search leads to it. You get different results for a search for Goldeneye (all one word) and Golden Eye.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby metronaut » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:50 am

Countalucard wrote:Just when you thought it was all over.

I'm going to ring up O2 tomorrow and tell them why my mobile and broadband won't be with them again. Maybe if enough people do that O2 will start to behave with a semblance of decency.



What did you want O2 to do exactly? BT and Sky have already lost similar actions recently, so it's hard to see what O2 would have gained by trying to fight the case. Are you just saying that they should have fought as a matter of principle, even if they had no prospect of success?
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Mullard47 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:13 am

metronaut wrote:
Countalucard wrote:Just when you thought it was all over.

I'm going to ring up O2 tomorrow and tell them why my mobile and broadband won't be with them again. Maybe if enough people do that O2 will start to behave with a semblance of decency.



What did you want O2 to do exactly? BT and Sky have already lost similar actions recently, so it's hard to see what O2 would have gained by trying to fight the case. Are you just saying that they should have fought as a matter of principle, even if they had no prospect of success?


Can you specify what these similar actions are that BT and Sky lost recently. My recollection is that the last similar case involving BT was where they changed their tune and opposed an application by Ministry of Sound, who then withdrew the application and have not resumed this type of activity since. As regards Sky, I am not aware that they have ever contested let alone lost, such an application.

As regards losing anything, I reckon that O2 should be more concerned about losing customers.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Hickster » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:34 am

@Mullard

Dont feed them...... I wonder if it is Mr Zacharias? :P
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby concerned100 » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:52 am

BT challenges NPO

The broadband provider [BT] argued that it would continue to challenge such orders – known as "Norwich Pharmacal orders" – until the rights holder and law firm can prove that accusations of illegal filesharing have "some basis".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... sharing-bt
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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby Hickster » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:00 pm

Blog has a new title.

Not very original I grant you but to the point!

Nice to see the Slycksters have chaneged thread name on the same day, people WILL talk you know! :lol:

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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby Stressed_Out » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:03 am

Hi again everyone. :)

So another set of scamsters are on the prowl!
Does anyone else think that "Fat Andy"/Jintin-Tsang :howdy: (Hi tezza/Fat-Boy) et al could be advising this latest crew of porners on how to scam easy cash?
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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby Mullard47 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:29 am

Stressed_Out wrote:Hi again everyone. :)

So another set of scamsters are on the prowl!
Does anyone else think that "Fat Andy"/Jintin-Tsang :howdy: (Hi tezza/Fat-Boy) et al could be advising this latest crew of porners on how to scam easy cash?



In a discussion about these development with some associates, someone did raise the proposition that Crossley might contemplate working for them, and there then followed speculation as to whether that would be as a lawyer or as a participant in one of their films.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby metronaut » Fri Mar 30, 2012 5:05 am

Mullard47 wrote:
Can you specify what these similar actions are that BT and Sky lost recently. My recollection is that the last similar case involving BT was where they changed their tune and opposed an application by Ministry of Sound, who then withdrew the application and have not resumed this type of activity since. As regards Sky, I am not aware that they have ever contested let alone lost, such an application.


BT and Sky have lost actions to the same party, i.e. Golden Eye.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/DL letter/legal threat discussion

Postby Hickster » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:13 am

metronaut wrote:
Mullard47 wrote:
Can you specify what these similar actions are that BT and Sky lost recently. My recollection is that the last similar case involving BT was where they changed their tune and opposed an application by Ministry of Sound, who then withdrew the application and have not resumed this type of activity since. As regards Sky, I am not aware that they have ever contested let alone lost, such an application.


BT and Sky have lost actions to the same party, i.e. Golden Eye.


Are you suggesting that BT and SKY have folded under pressure and allowed a Norwich Pharmacal Order, to be issued in their name? If you are that is plain wrong. Indeed BT/Plusnet are quite clear about this and have said they will fight it all the way.

Are you getting confused with the "Digitial Economy Bill" appeal, by BT and Talk Talk? That was quite different issue.

Sky were a disgrace int ehir dealings with ACS:LAW/Media C.A.T indeed the email leak is still not on the Sky website, at least not easily availiable through the news section.

So instead or spreading mistruth, why dont you elaborate on your baseless claims? I realise you are a "musician", do you approve of making your money this way? targetting innocent people?
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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby concerned100 » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:46 am

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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby Hickster » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:36 am

concerned100 wrote:a photo of Mr. Honey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tions.html


http://www.lindsayhoney.com/images/photo_large.jpg

You dont like the Keith Harris/Barry Manilow look then!
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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby Stressed_Out » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:57 am

@Mullard

:lol:
It definitely won't be as a lawyer that's for sure.
As to appearing in one of their "B" rated flickers, :wank ..the mind boggles. :D
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Re: Golden Eye Int Ltd/Ben Dover letter/legal threat discuss

Postby JustInterested » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:12 am

concerned100 wrote:a photo of Mr. Honey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tions.html


Does anyone know what the last sentence in that report is referring to?

"The legal setback came as BT and TalkTalk were accused of turning a blind eye to illegal downloads after an undercover investigation."

What undercover investigaton?
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