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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby godthor2019 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:41 am

Hi everyone.

I hope everyone is doing well, I'm hoping someone could help give me a bit of advice.

I received a letter from TCYK LLC on the <redacted> in the letter it says " a file review has taken place and we note that the last correspondence that was sent to you was <redacted> when you were notified that your ip address has been identified as having been involved in unauthorised downloading and sharing of the Work. Your response was never received.


Well firstly this is the first time I have ever received such a letter so I'm not sure why they say I received a letter <redacted>,
also I have no clue what film there talking about I have never even heard of it let alone share it.


The letter goes on to say TCYK LLC has a legitimate claim in this regard your internet service provider has provided your details as the owner of the ip address that has been used to download and share the Work without the permission of the copyright holder. This is in breach of sections 20 and 23 of the copyright designs and patents act 1988. Please note that copyright infringement is both a civil and criminal offence.


The letter goes on to say what to do if I admit the infringement, saying I would have to pay £<redacted> or if I deny the infringement that they will get a court order to get my mobile phone and laptop etc, then it says information about my ip the date and time of infringement swarm size and hash.


Sorry that's a bit long winded but I'm hoping someone can help me as I really don't know what to do, I have severe anxiety and depression and as you can imagine receiving such a letter hasn't helped.


I apricate any help anyone can give me, i havnt contacted these people back as im not sure what to write.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Strawman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:46 am

Hi godthor2019

Well done for finding this forum.

You have been picked on as someone who didn't respond to a letter from back in <redacted> - which may never have been sent, or never reached you. Some robust correspondence by return should put paid to this speculative invoicing.

Take heart in the fact that the bark of these people is pretty scary initially, but their bite is somewhat non-existent. That is basically how their business model works.

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby anyoldusername » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:02 pm

A mod should delete the amount in that post above, it’s personally identifiable information
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Strawman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:04 pm

The return of TCYK puzzled me initially, until I realised it is all just a last desperate roll of the dice.

TCYK's claims are in tort. The statute of limitations in respect of tort is six years.

And AFAIK, all of the alleged infringing occurred in a very limited window in around April 2013. Thus TCYK have only a couple of months in which to file several hundred civil claims. The chance of this happening? Slim to none. Then they will be gone forever.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Strawman » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:08 pm

Slyckers - thank you for the reminder that the TCYK infringement allegations were in separate tranches, some of which related to early 2014. For those victims, you have a little longer to wait, but the same rules apply.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby MrFredPFL » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:22 pm

posts above redacted. thanks for the heads up :)
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby MrMike » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:19 pm

Hi Guys,

I got one of these letters the other day and would like some help on what to do.

Is it best to just ignore the letter ? or should I do something about it ? I really don't know what to do as they the letter has said that I only have two options.

In the letter it says that I was sent one back in 2015 and that they are following up on that letter. It also says that TKYC LLC has six years from the date of infringement which was listed as April 2013.

Thank you all.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:11 pm

Hi MrMike

And hi to others receiving these letters.

First thing. Don't worry. Speculative invoicing has been going on for over ten years from these scam artists. Many scam artists who sent these nasty letters in the past have lost the position they once held, or disappeared into obscurity. One relating aspect (Well, apart from Ben Dover) is they lose their job position and definitely lose a social medial presence.

In other words, these scam artists lose their credibility in many ways.

I certainly echo strawman's thoughts, which does seem to be the motivation behind this campaign by TCYK.

In your case MrMike, I am glad you did not provide any information that could give TCYK anything against you. I advise you and anyone else who sees this, who may consider posting on this forum to not give the observing trolls any information.

I do not have a copy of these latest letters going out, so I would appreciate anyone who is willing to let me see one to email me a copy at bpaw69@gmail.com. Please blank out any personal information such as your name, address, dates, IP address etc. I want to see TCYK words to you.

Thanks
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"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:22 am

Dont fall for this crap

I am NOT a Lawyer, but if I received one of these bullshit letters. This is as Bpaw states the desperate last throw of the dice, from a discredited and disreputable company.

Either TCYK LLC, or their agents Hatton &Berkeley, have both showed themselves to be untrustworthy. So are we dealing with TCYK LLC or H&B? Well either or, it is most probably SIX years on from their initial accusation, (When the alledged offence took place) most people nay ALL people will have different equipment from then, but, I would imagine some have moved house, and here is the thing.

These companies have to go to Court, to get an order to then go to the Internet provider to get the details of the IP address, they will not in my opinion be able to do this SIX YEARS later, because, 1: It would be cost prohibitive, and 2: They wouldn't get permission from the Court, IMO

So, we are left with a simple idea, that I put to the Board, Write on the Envelope"Not Known at this address". this will force the sender to either drop the matter, or attempt to go to Court to get fresh information. It is an idea, what do others think?
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby anyoldusername » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:18 am

Hickster wrote:So, we are left with a simple idea, that I put to the Board, Write on the Envelope"Not Known at this address". this will force the sender to either drop the matter, or attempt to go to Court to get fresh information. It is an idea, what do others think?


Lying is worse than not answering at all. Imagine if that gets brought up in a live case and found to be a lie? The balance of probabilities will shift unfavourably against the defendant.

Like Strawman says, this is a last throw of the dice. What court is going to believe this infringement issue is important/urgent after six years of doing f-all about it?

Maverick Eye and the rest of their shady bunch are behind this and their witnesses don't like to come out from the shadows

Among the issues highlighted in the order is the declaration of Daniel Arheidt, who works for the German BitTorrent tracking outfit Maverickeye. His evidence is at the basis of the clerk’s affidavit, but it’s not a sworn statement, and nor is Mr. Arheidt available for cross-examination.


https://torrentfreak.com/teksavvy-wins- ... rs-190225/

What value is their evidence after six years of rotting like an egg? Stall them and wait for them to file a claim. In April most of these cases are dead anyway
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:30 pm

anyoldusername wrote:
Hickster wrote:So, we are left with a simple idea, that I put to the Board, Write on the Envelope"Not Known at this address". this will force the sender to either drop the matter, or attempt to go to Court to get fresh information. It is an idea, what do others think?


Lying is worse than not answering at all. Imagine if that gets brought up in a live case and found to be a lie? The balance of probabilities will shift unfavourably against the defendant.



:oops: You are quite right and I apologise, I should not encourage others to lie. I have NEVER done so, just goes to show what engaging in other worlds can do to ones integrity.

I will leave the post intact, it will be a point for me to look too. Thankyou for calling me out on that. I think short of my idea, that a delay to time out is the correct process. It must be a few months max.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:19 am

FWIW Hickster mate, I fully understand the point you made. It's seriously very bad practice for these shysters and a solicitor to conduct this latest scam letter sending, and the temptation would be to say f*ck'em.

Interestingly, since the TorrentFreak article the letters are not sent under Catherine Hyde's name. It's the TorrentFreak/Slyck effect again which has made them change tactic. Hyde and seek as they say. She must have got worried of SRA action.

A question would be though is any likelihood of these shysters filing proceedings against non-responders? It was a tactic in the past to obtain default judgements. If it's likely someone moved since, they may not receive this letter, and is it the case they are relying on that?

I know there is little time left for a continued campaign, but the thought does spring to my mind.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Strawman » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:11 am

I understand that follow up email communication is in fact sent in Catherine Hyde's name. I do not think that she has properly considered that a complaint to the SRA is rather likely. I do not see any real distinction between the correspondence Ms Hyde is issuing now, and the type of correspondence that got others such as Davenport Lyons and Andrew Crossley (amongst others) into so much hot water before her.

Equally, H&B are unlikely to have considered the distinct possibility that many victims have moved in the intervening six year period. It is all very well for them to send out renewed communication, but no confirmation of delivery is returned. If the victim has in fact moved, then at best, the mail may be returned to sender. However, there is a world of difference between this and proof of service of a civil proceeding. Given that many, if not most, of the victims will have moved ISPs after they were sold out in 2015, H&B will have no way of knowing the victim's new address, and are therefore not in a position to prosecute them.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:05 am

Thanks strawman

I was going by the TorrentFreak article part:

However, during the past couple of weeks, TCYK and partners Hatton and Berkeley took a second bite of the cherry, writing again to non-responsive letter recipients in the hope they’ll now pay up.

Letters reviewed by TorrentFreak were sent by Catherine Hyde who is a Consultant Solicitor at Birmingham-based law firm My Business Counsel. The letter says that Hyde is acting on behalf of H&B Administration LLP and TCYK LLC. Hyde is also listed as “Legal Counsel” for Hatton and Berkeley.

I haven't seen one of these letters so I assumed she was initially sending letters in her name and now it's signed as a non-person.

I know from the initial TCYK letter they mention in the event of no response they could take further action that could include the commencement of proceedings without further notice. How that fits in after four years from previous correspondence I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past them to try.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:54 pm

Just an observation that:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/OC403458/officers

Has TCYK llc as a "Current Officer":

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/1cR2U-CpU51hHwnHBBUiEcvAYaQ/appointments

TCYK LLC
Correspondence address: 116 N Robertson Dr,, Los Angeles, United States, 90027


This so called officer was revoked as an operating company in Nevada in the US:
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https://www.nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/PrintCorp.aspx?lx8nvq=bHxxLAMmNSYzw2WKRsjpmg%253d%253d&nt7=0

You will see that one of the managing members of TCYK llc is VOLTAGE HOLDING LLC, 116 N ROBERTSON DR.

We ask reasonable questions against unreasonable, and completely illogical people.

I can only think that this recent tactic from these (c) trolls have done nothing more than make it more difficult for anyone else to try such a scam.

Is it amateurish? Is it being too confident? Is it piss artist Robert Edwin Croucher? I would love that if Croucher was responsible for destroying speculative invoicing!

On a serious note it is important for anyone who receives their letter of claim to not take my ridicule of them lightly. These are clearly arseholes, but when it comes to a claim of copyright infringement, the Courts seem to listen to arseholes.

Denial without giving any detail about you to these assholes in the way.

BTW, thanks to those who sent me copies of your letters. Much appreciated and it helped.

EDIT:
Just look at the fine and dandy Croucher on a long inactive twitter account:
https://twitter.com/robert_croucher?lang=en
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:08 pm

Hi all and to those newly accused welcome your amongst friends

I would suggest anyone unfortunate enough to get a recent letter from these scammers just send back the standard reply from the speculative invoiceing handbook? As I see it nothing has changed other than the time between alleged infringement and claim and this only weakens the trolls claim further. IT equipment around at the time of the alleged act may well have been replaced, lodgers neighbours could have changed, software updated... and don’t forget these scammers have absolutely no idea what if any equipment you had or have.

Theses trolls had absolutely no evidence during the first round a few years back and even less now. Not replying would surely open the door for a claim, id suggest reply and deny following SIH standard letter of response.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:22 pm

Hi again

Page 113 on this thread has links to speculative invoicing handbook and other useful resources.

Also don’t panic and do anything rash, theses trolls work on fear and intimidation, Don’t play their game. Stay cool and don’t get stressed many others have been in your shoes and come out the other side just fine.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:08 pm

Hi Alice, good to see you here mate.

First and foremost is all the recent letters I have seen have this:

Please note that TCYL LLC has six years from the date of the infringement to issue a court claim in relation to this matter.


Did you notice the "the infringement"? Surely alleged infringement.

That's the difference from a Court approved letter of claim and these assholes who try to write a follow up letter of claim.

I think that the truth has been mentioned on this forum recently, and my feeling is that anyone who is truly innocent of these allegations from H&B need to tell them accordingly. You have been accused, so tell them you didn't do it.

My feeling is that all this is a real desperate load of crap from these really desperate assholes.

My thought is send a denial to them just to be sure.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby wronglyac » Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:01 pm

Hi all new members.

As someone falsely accused myself a few years back, I know how annoying it is to receive a letter from these chancers.

As others have said just stay calm and deny their false allegations and follow the great advice on these forums. :toast:
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby MrMike » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:50 pm

Hi,

Would it be best not the replay to the letter and wait to see if they follow up ? In the letter it dose say they have 6 years to file a claim and 6 years is up in April this year.

Also what do I do if the letter was sent in someone else’s name ?

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Aliceinwonderland wrote:
bpaw wrote:
Bugs9385 wrote:Thank you very much everyone. I am really appreciated. Those information are very helpful. After I have read this thread, the only thing I am concerned is I replied them with email. Is it a big issue? Can I make this last response with email as well? Or sending with recorded delivery is a must thing to do?

As Alice said it's not essential to reply by recorded delivery. Usually the advice is not to use email for many reasons, and first and foremost as Alice says they are on a phishing exercise.

If you haven't read previous posts yet you may not be aware that these villains like GEIL & TCYK llc read this forum, and actually one GEIL fanboy (Who likes to give his litigate copyright to GEIL) Terence Stephens has posted on this forum to try to intimidate victims in to paying the settlement. Obviously those threatening tactics fail. I advise just in case to not provide any information on this forum that could be linked to you personally.

That's all they do. Allege infringement and back it up with threats and intimidation because they can't back it up with actual true evidence.

A good read of the Speculative Invoicing Handbook Second Edition is well advised before responding. Despite the urgency they put on you, it's worth gaining a better understanding of how their scam "Works" for them.

It's also worth knowing that Michael Coyle of Lawdit Solicitors is happy to provide advice for free to any victim by a quick phone call or email. They are even willing to handle all correspondence for a victim for a minor fee, and even represent a victim in Court for free IF they had proceeding issued against them.

Sending your response by recorded delivery letter will give you an absolute signed for proof of delivery, and if you do send your response by this method, you can make the point in your letter with a last paragraph one liner that states you are sending your response this way for your own records.

I would say best of luck and stand strong. Most importantly don't let this worry or stress you. You have plenty of help here.




Hi new folk, useful info above , it will save you searching and getting stressed :toast:
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:29 pm

Hi Mr Mike

Take a look above at Bpaw note I copied , hi Bpaw

Read though the speculative invoicing handbook, it will bring you up to speed on how the scam works and how to reply. I’ve been watch theses trolls for a few years now and have not seen or heard of anyone who has followed the advice in the handbook and gone wrong and I’m sure the trolls would be shouting from the rooftops if anyone hand.
The risk of not replying is the plaintiff/ troll alleging infringement goes to court and seeks a summary judgement. You can check this yourself by googling civil claims procedures. If your really concerned you could ask M Coyle (see above link) to cross reference advice given here. Coyle can be googled and checked on the Solicitors Regulatory Authority site as well. Most solicitors give 10min plus of advice for free and a phone call costs pennies.

Finally as I’ve said before stay frosty and calm, don’t make any rash moves. Weigh up the situation and what’s right and then proceed . Remember these scammers have absolutely no evidence of who if anyone infringed copyright and no way to get more evidence unless you give it to them, DONT.

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:32 pm

If the letter not in your name, then there should be no need to reply as they are not accusing you they are accusing someone else. If they went for a default judgement then it would be against the person armed in the letter
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:35 pm

Aliceinwonderland wrote:Hi Mr Mike

Take a look above at Bpaw note I copied , hi Bpaw

Read though the speculative invoicing handbook, it will bring you up to speed on how the scam works and how to reply. I’ve been watch theses trolls for a few years now and have not seen or heard of anyone who has followed the advice in the handbook and gone wrong and I’m sure the trolls would be shouting from the rooftops if anyone hand.
The risk of not replying is the plaintiff/ troll alleging infringement goes to court and seeks a summary judgement. You can check this yourself by googling civil claims procedures. If your really concerned you could ask M Coyle (see above link) to cross reference advice given here. Coyle can be googled and checked on the Solicitors Regulatory Authority site as well. Most solicitors give 10min plus of advice for free and a phone call costs pennies.

Finally as I’ve said before stay frosty and calm, don’t make any rash moves. Weigh up the situation and what’s right and then proceed . Remember these scammers have absolutely no evidence of who if anyone infringed copyright and no way to get more evidence unless you give it to them, DONT.

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:54 pm

Dear all

Please accept my apologies for the poor grammar and spelling in my last posts, I’m using a new device and still getting used to it :D
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