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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Stressed_Out » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:30 am

Hi mattb and welcome to the place of like-minded people who will offer advice and reassurance.

If I may I think you should, if it's not to late, block their email address and insist they write to you.

Also one of the forums special/favourite Judges HHJ Birss has told these scamsters predecessors that they have no proof and they know it. That was end of story for them.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:01 pm

mattb7540 wrote:Hi Everyone
........Today I get an email from Janet at golden eye... An interesting case from TCYK (their words not mine)... someone settled out of court for £1000. My thoughts... Idiots and doubt it. Honestly, I almost cried I thought I had got rid of these trolls and they are back for round two.

Still never mind, I will roll up my sleeves. We seriously need to do something about these people. We should start a petition or something.


Hi and Welcome, to you and all the others I have missed. Bpaw, sorry, I am not back just yet, but have seen this comment and just had to respond.

You may wish to point out to "Janet at Goldeneye", (which is possibly Julian in his ladies identity), that whilst they may find the TCYK case, or rather the Hatton&Berkeley case, interesting, it really doesn't apply to GEIL, why? well basically because, the case in point "allegedly" involved someone, who accepted responsibility for the infringement, but then decided to change his mind and deny it, now you can see why he/she would be on shaky legal ground, so it was an easy win for the Trolls, THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS AN INNOCENT TARGETED. indeed it was so sketchy an argument that even HattonBerkeley have taken it down from their website.

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:43 pm

As previously provided on this forum is the H&B Admin Court Listings which DID have one listing:

https://www.hb-administration.co.uk/court-listings

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OK. TCYK, in conjunction with H&B Admin, and Croucher who has disappeared of the face of the planet did have this resource of Court Listings, but now it is "page not found".

To me, and I may be wrong, but a win for the trolls against an ISP subscriber who denies their claim would be in the media. It wouldn't solely exist in a threat in an email to an alleged infringer.

@CharonsBoat has absolutely described it as it is. These trolls may win when an ISP subscriber doesn't deny the alleged infringement.

Quite simply, if these trolls obtained a win in Court when someone completely denies the alleged infringement against them, then these trolls like TCYK and GEIL would be publicising it well before trying to convince alleged infringers in an email.

I do find it quite encouraging that GEIL are trying such desperate measures!

I do also find it rather weird that GEIL are trying some kind of intimidation against an alleged infringer over two years after their last letter campaign!

It is quite weird, isn't it!

Damn! Wish I would have looked at my previous statement.

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:24 am

bpaw wrote:
@Hickster - Really glad to see you observing.


Always my friend, sorry I cannot commit to full time yet, but I am so glad you are on the ball, even your "How to win friends and influence people" moment with HGW, you still have the honesty to admit error, and the integrity to leave your posts unedited. You are a rare gem, I am so pleased you stepped up when you did.

Bpaw, it IS strange that they don't publicise these cases where they have identified an actual infringer and taken the infringer to Court and convince a Judge on , lets not forget, the low threshold of "probability", and that of course is because it has NEVER HAPPENED.

Now lets just suppose that you receive a letter and its some accusation of some low quality low grade Porn such as is flogged by Mr Ben Dover/Julian Becker et al, you know YOU didn't do it, but you have teenagers in the house, you question them and they deny it, but you being a good person, say "Well, I guess it might well have been them", DO NOT DO THIS. These vermin will use that against you, if you admit on behalf of other people, you will have to Pay, if you have given that in writing then deny you admitted the infringement, they will use that against you.

These people are desperate vermin, who will do anything to get the last dollar from their underselling product.

Back in 2008, when I first got involved, or 2009, I cant quite remember now, Davenport Lyons, who later went on to be busted by the Solicitors Regulation Authority, bandied about the name of Isabella Barwinska, who had allegedly been fined £16,000 for infringing the copyright of 3d Pinball Dreams, only problem was, she didn't realy exist. Even today it is hard to track a person by that name, as a Legal First, you would imagine the case would be everywhere. The lazy press did not help, they published the press release as fact. It was all a lie, admitted to by the ACS:LAW email leak. In reality, she was probably an immigrant from Poland, or Romania, who had received a letter, then did a runner back to her Country of origin, the judgment was what is called a "Default Judgement" and bares little meaning in reality.

People should respond to these letters, lest these scumbags attempt a default judgement, but the actual judgment says nothing of actual infringement.

I feel people should also be cautioned, that posting emails on here, is not a good thing to do, neither is sharing the content when it is identifiable to the recipient, so for instance, names and the like, that can be traced back to an individual. That all being said, as I and Bpaw and others have said,

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby wronglyac » Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:53 pm

I wonder if they are only going to send this to people whos emails they have.

A good time to mention, insist on everything by letter from them and do not give them any details such as emails and phone numbers, as we can see here, they will try to intimidate innocent people.

Be interesting to see if anyone gets this in a letter from them.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:27 pm

@Hickster - Thanks mate

You may agree as I feel that over the years of all this there is always the feeling that the trolls will adopt any tactic, regardless of ethics, to gain financial rewards.

I also feel that Robert Croucher making personal threats against you and me was a clear evidence that there are no boundaries that these (c) trolls would explore.

You Hickster mate got rid of that vermin Croucher!

I will say though that the original Court Order has made me feel a little confused. There were the orders of the Applicants (GEIL) providing written reports to the Respondents (SKY) of what actions they took against the disclosed ISP subscribers.

What use is there in GEIL providing reports to SKY after six months if after two years they are still pursuing claims?

The fact is that there has been no further actions taken (That we know of) by H&B or GEIL, so no ISP pre-warning letters and no new LoCs. So we have this protracted effort from GEIL to drag out their "claim" for as long as they like?

I would suggest to anyone receiving emails or letters from GEIL recently to complain to SKY and say how SKY are going to represent your interests (Assuming you are still a SKY subscriber) considering they disclosed your personal details because of a Court Order. Ask them if that very same Court Order should still allow them to continually harass you, and even ask SKY if they were provided by GEIL a report on your case.

I would consider also the harassment angle because the "Revert to" letter was considered the last letter where they say that they are not harassing you if you insinuated it. This further letter or email to convince you to pay up has no further evidence against you.

Clear case of harassment.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby HGW » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:02 pm

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:50 am

wronglyac wrote:I would consider also the harassment angle because the "Revert to" letter was considered the last letter where they say that they are not harassing you if you insinuated it. This further letter or email to convince you to pay up has no further evidence against you.

Clear case of harassment.


This is an interesting point, I have also wondered about "Malicious communication", I would have to surrender to those of the board with a more legal background, but it seems odd to my sensibilities, that a British Company could send letter out that contain the wording. "Fuck my bitch up". or "Fuck my daughter fuck me first". surely these titles are clearly inappropriate, especially if they landed on the doormats of those who had been victims of sexcrimes.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:26 pm

Hickster wrote:
wronglyac wrote:I would consider also the harassment angle because the "Revert to" letter was considered the last letter where they say that they are not harassing you if you insinuated it. This further letter or email to convince you to pay up has no further evidence against you.

Clear case of harassment.


This is an interesting point, I have also wondered about "Malicious communication", I would have to surrender to those of the board with a more legal background, but it seems odd to my sensibilities, that a British Company could send letter out that contain the wording. "Fuck my bitch up". or "Fuck my daughter fuck me first". surely these titles are clearly inappropriate, especially if they landed on the doormats of those who had been victims of sexcrimes.

No appropriate legal background to offer facts, but my thinking is the titles are copyright work and were submitted in the High Court as their "Evidence".

What is funny and also very evident is a google search for immoral productions shows up a copyright film title called "Rebellious Reform School Girls" which was not on the Daniel Anthony Leal witness statement list of film titles he claims copyright of!

Imagine GEIL saying to the Judge in the High Court that Immoral Productions are claiming illegal copyright distribution by bittorrent IP addresses for a film title called "Rebellious Reform School Girls".

Extending further on your thinking mate, it had me thinking about those involved in the industry.

It always made me think how absurd and inappropriate it was when ever we tackled One Eyed Jack on something he didn't like, his suggestion was always "go and get laid". Like saying we were so uptight and wound up that we needed some form of relief.

What it definitely was is an adult industry typical getting out of a difficult question by the only means he knows how, by quoting sex orientated advice.

The industry is rife with inappropriate and what should be considered illegal marketing and publicity. I had already on this thread shown that Terence Stephens as @NakedTruthGuy re-tweeted another twitter user saying they were going to have sex with their step-daughter. I know it was a porn actor and porn actress, but it portrayed the scenario.

Why would a porn actor tweet this? To serve the sexually depraved and perverted audience they wish to make money out of. Just like Daniel Anthony Leal wants to make money out of sexual perverts who have sexual fantasies of school children.

Oh. but when they are accused of maybe increasing the urge of such perverts, they claim that they are satisfying the urge of such perverts.

Funny that such perverts who commit such heinous crimes are usually in possession of such deprived and horrendous material.

And because of their beliefs, they absolutely use such a subject they make money out of to serve their purpose.

Speculative Invoicing is truly a heinous act. These same people tweet illegal acts and release videos with illegal titles, but get away with actresses just above legal age.

Three words. F*cking Low Lifes.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Lilliput » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:44 am

Hi, I got an email today from a Janine at Golden Eye saying "We write regarding a recent development which should be of interest, please see letter attached together with enclosures" and 5 attachements 1 being a previous letter from them. The other 4 include this
"You may be interested to know that a solicitor, acting on behalf of Robert Kemble in a claim similar to ours but brought by TCYK LLC, entered into an agreement to settle the court case by paying £1,000. We attach a copy of the Order and the Schedule referred to in the Order.
In view of the agreement reached in the Kemble case, we would invite you to reconsider your position as to whether you would like to reach settlement with us. We would point out, that, despite the terms of settlement in the Kemble case, we remain prepared to stand by our original offer of settlement with you, that is payment of £500.00. We enclose a copy of the Agreement (containing an anonymity clause for your protection) and Undertakings to sign and return to us."
A copy of the Agreement and Consent about Mr Kemble case and the final attachment stating this
" Further to our exchange of correspondence, I write to confirm that payment by you of £500.00 to Golden Eye (Int) Ltd is in full and final settlement of your obligations to Harmony Films Limited in relation to the infringements of copyright, up to the date of this letter." and that i have 7 days to pay as of the 12th Sept.
I have repeatedly denied the allegations with advice from Citizens Advice and from this forum. I thought the matter had disappeared as last correspondence was in January. I am now at a lose and don't know what more i can do. I do not want to settle this, but also i cannot afford a solicitor. Any further advice would be gratefully appreciated as now having panic attacks
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby MrFredPFL » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:39 am

hi, lilliput, and welcome. you've come to the right place.

others will be by with more in depth thoughts for u, but for the moment, i'll say: relax. these people are all hot air. don't let them frighten u, as fear is the only weapon they have - well, fear, and an absolute willingness to misrepresent the legal realities of this situation.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Aliceinwonderland » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:44 pm

Hi Lilliput

Your amongst friends and there is plenty of advice and support here.

First off don't do anything in haste, your already done the right thing and replied and denied. This email is just more of the same bull, don't fall for it.

Please remember it's not in the interest of these scammers to take you or anyone to court.
1. There evidence is non existent, they don't know who if anyone infringed copyright and they know they don't. That will not impress a judge.
2. Taking anyone to court costs them money and carries a massive risk to their business model, that's a fact.

Never give these scammers your emai adress stamps cost them money and gives you time to consider a response.

You could reply saying you have already denied their claim, they have not provided any evidence against you, that this is harassment and you will report them to the authorities if it continues. Finaly tell them you will not reply to an further emails.

It's easy fo me to say but don't stress over this, you are doing this right and these scammers are getting desperate hence the email telling you that someone else has paid them, that means absolutely nothing to your circumstances.
Remember reply and deni. Stick with the advice, follow the speculative invoicing handbook and you will be fine.

Last off if you want to double check the advice on the website ring Lawdit solicitors, and ask them. They will give you a few minutes on the phone to discuss a case for free and Lawdit are way better than CItizens Advice.


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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby wronglyac » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:08 am

As per the other replies, they simply are still trying to harass and intimidate you.

Companies who think they have a case for prosecution, do not wait 9 months after the last correspondence to contact people. If they really believed their bullshit, they would have the matter done and dusted far sooner. With the previous correspondence you've had, the situation has probably been going on for over a year and the supposed offence took place no doubt at least 2 years ago. Mine would be over 3 years ago now.

I would suggest if you do reply, you tell them, along the lines of, the email they have sent contains absolutely no further evidence against you and therefore is a clear case of harassment. Tell them you will not put up with any further harassment and intimidation. Say that you will be adding the email address to your blocked list, so any further emails will not be received but automatically deleted. They have your postal address so they have no excuse for not contacting you by letter, if they decide to attempt to harass you again.

So far no one who only corresponded with these vermin by letter only, have reported receiving this in letter form. I'm already formulating in my head, my reply to these cretins, if they do.

Finally do not panic or stress and certainly never pay them a penny.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:25 pm

Hi Lilliput and welcome to the forum

First of all, don't have panic attacks. Easy for me to say, but there have been so many different nasty tactics these trolls have undertaken over many years to put fear into those who receive their nasty letters and emails.

They use disguised threats against you because they don't have real evidence against you.

What is quite evident from your post is the part "entered into an agreement to settle the court case by paying £1,000". That's it. It is a case that went to Court and an agreement was reached between each party with no admission of guilt by the defendant.

The case they quote is different. If TCYK and H&B were truly sure of their evidence, why go to Court and settle for £1,000? The costs to bring the case to Court would surely exceed that. If TCYK and H&B were sure of their own evidence, would they have accepted such an agreement?

Was that a win for TCYK in Court or a loss? Well, if it was truly a win for TCYK, it would be so well publicised in the media even Donald Trump would be jealous of the media coverage! Even H&B Admin, who referenced the TCYK Court case on their website has removed it and don't reference it.

So effectively GEIL are saying to you they could take you to Court and obtain an agreement for you to pay them £1,000 with no admission of guilt from you (Which would cost them more in costs) or you could pay them their "settlement" of £500 and admit the infringement (At the cost to GEIL of an email to you).

In all the years these trolls have operated this scam, no one who maintains a denial against the trolls has ever been taken to Court.

These latest letters and emails I see are a desperate attempt to convince those who consistently deny their claim to pay their settlement by letting you know of the recent Court case.

As what has already been said, no further evidence has been presented to you by GEIL. All they have done is try and hoodwink you into paying their settlement which they are trying to show is half the amount of the Court settlement.

If it was me I would say again no further evidence of the alleged infringement has been presented to me, so please refer to the previous replies I sent. I would add that unless further evidence of proof is presented by GEIL that as an ISP subscriber I am personally responsible for what is an alleged infringement, I consider this matter closed. Further contact without further evidence I can only consider harassment.

Or words to that effect!

The two emails mentioned on here have been from "Janet" and now "Janine". Is that Julian forgetting the first name he used and used another female name starting with J? Or has Julian lost the plot and forgotten his first name?

How absurd is that?
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:55 pm

There has been one nagging thought in my mind why GEIL are using forenames starting with "J" in emails.

I think I know why now.

Emails are easier than letters. A recipient of an email from GEIL with a specific made up first name can easily be identified if they post on this forum, or any other forum.

I will say that the two who have mentioned the first name referenced in the email have expressed their denial of the infringement. Don't be too concerned by me being a bit paranoid! I am only being careful, and as you have said you are innocent.

Anyone else who receives ANY correspondence from GEIL with a different name, please do not quote that name on this forum.

Anyone wishing to provide very valuable information should post on here without specific information that could link GEIL to you.

Or, you can personal message me or Hickster if you are not sure.

Like I said, it may be just me being paranoid, but better being safe.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby HGW » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:27 pm

Since I am my posting of links has not been great and I am sure this will get posted here soon
torrentfreak.com article :-
<Google/Startpage> uk-copyright-trolls-cite-hopeless-case-to-make-people-pay-up

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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:33 pm

HGW wrote:Since I am my posting of links has not been great and I am sure this will get posted here soon
torrentfreak.com article :-
<Google/Startpage> uk-copyright-trolls-cite-hopeless-case-to-make-people-pay-up

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https://torrentfreak.com/uk-copyright-trolls-cite-hopeless-case-to-make-people-pay-up-170916/

Glad I didn't put you off from posting HGW, and on my part it was an honest mistake I made.

It was an honest original post you made which lead to a confusion on my part. Obviously now it hopefully is considered water under the bridge!

With the TorrentFreak post you refer to which I provide above, it is a secure link with the "https://" header.

I'm sure both you me and others will be a little more wary of hyperlinks and the way they are posted.

The most important thing to me is you feel confident to post hyperlinks on this forum in the future. I certainly hope so!

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Postby HGW » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:36 pm

No problem will give it a go next time I spot something


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Postby bpaw » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:00 pm

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Just a quick post of recent pictures of Clement Charles Vogler of ex-Ad-Litem.

Anyone who is unaware of Mr Clement Charles Vogler, the following post on Hicksters blog will give you some idea:

https://acsbore.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/golden-eye-international-the-expert-witness/

What is very certain is Clement Charles Vogler gave ACS:Law their "legitimacy" in Court. Vogler was allowed to "Test" the monitoring software used by Alireza Torabi, and then was quoted in the High Court in saying:

Mr Vogler explains he did not have Xtrack installed on his computer, and did not concern himself with how it worked, but treated it as a “black box”. He simply presented it with inputs, namely his test files, and examined the outputs to see if they corresponded to his inputs. He was satisfied that they did correspond.

Quite honestly if Vogler did his job he should have as an "Expert Wtiness", and not accept money and turn a blind eye, maybe bittorrent monitoring would have ended 7 years ago.

So to me, Clement Charles Vogler is very much an accompanying architect in Speculative Invoicing and why it still exists today.
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Postby Stressed_Out » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:10 am

Just been looking at his Reepham Runners website. Have to say you can't wonder at his involvement in the "Speculative Invoicing" scam. Just look at the fellow. His appearance doesn't exactly lend itself to anything other than: well, for the want of a better term, a quintessential weird person. If you are looking in, sorry Clem just an observation, but you do look suited to the "Pron" industry but not in your professed and dubious capacity. :D
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:24 pm

https://torrentfreak.com/dallas-buyers-club-loses-piracy-lawsuit-ip-address-is-not-enough-171110/

“The ruling says that there is no way to know whether the defendant was the P2P user or not, because an IP address only identifies the person who subscribed to the Internet connection, not the user who made use of the connection at a certain moment,”

The upload of the data from the P2P programs occurs automatically by the program configuration itself. […] This occurs by default without requiring the knowledge or intention of the user

This Spanish Judge has judged it absolutely spot on.

A Judge saying that an IP address is the ISP subscriber and not necessarily the infringer, and the added bonus of saying that a bittorrent user may not actually know that they are sharing the content they download.

It's a shame that the Judges here in the UK didn't come to the same conclusion. It would have saved a lot of money paid out to the scum bags by innocents, and it would have saved all the stress these scum bags have put on the alleged infringers.

Just to add a thought.....

The EU General Data Protection Regulation ("GDPR") comes into force in May 2018:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/data-protection-reform/overview-of-the-gdpr/

There are so many changes within the new regulations, including the inclusion that an IP address can be regarded as personal data:

Personal data
Like the DPA, the GDPR applies to ‘personal data’. However, the GDPR’s definition is more detailed and makes it clear that information such as an online identifier – eg an IP address – can be personal data. The more expansive definition provides for a wide range of personal identifiers to constitute personal data, reflecting changes in technology and the way organisations collect information about people.

Always the issue with previous NPOs decided by UK Judges was to way up the personal rights of the ISP subscriber against the rights of the copyright holder. Now we have the situation of an IP address possibly being regarded as personal data.

I know that the new GDPR regulations are more severe as regards to the personal data any organisation can hold for the purposes of processing information, and the only reason for processing such personal data beyond the scope of GDPR regulations is for the purpose of fulfilling legal requirements.

I would be very interested for the viewpoint of the very legal experts who observe this forum if they can contribute an opinion on this. I would be very thankful if you could.

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We know that Hickster is the main man:
https://acsbore.wordpress.com/2017/10/13/goldeneye-international-expose-how-desperate-they-are-many-laugh-in-disbelief/
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:39 pm

https://twitter.com/HattonBerkeley/status/927651912417148928

Received a heads up on the above tweet from Hatton & Berkeley. Thanks to the person who alerted me.

So funny that they didn't remove the Robert Croucher image which every time I see it I think of a mug shot taken by police when they arrested him for kicking an uber drivers head in.

The tweet links to a post on Hatton And Berkeley website:

https://www.hb-administration.co.uk/news-articles/2017/11/6/the-reptile-fund

I suppose I am cautiously optimistic that H&B are actually looking at piracy from the standpoint of targeting the "leader cells":

So we monitor the upstream and downstream incidences of piracy, separate out the takers from the distributors, and then set our sights on stopping each leader “cell” – those 35% of cells that influence 95% of the digital piracy network. This means we can effectively disrupt a whole network to slow digital piracy. The cure is not easy, but there is actually a cure.


I feel that the "fight" taken by copyright holders has changed a bit. The situation with "fully loaded" content boxes shows that bittorrent is not the copyright holders problem anymore. The problem for Golden Eye International Limited is the current climate doesn't support their bittorrent revenue stream that they solely rely on.

From my standpoint, if H&B solely target the actual distributors who provide the illegal content and definitely not target IP addresses that drags innocent people into paying exuberant and unjustified settlement demands, then as I say, I cautiously commend them.

Of course that can be spoilt by the next settlement letters that a H&B affiliated "copyright holder" sends out.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Hickster » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:55 am

bpaw wrote:https://twitter.com/HattonBerkeley/status/927651912417148928

Received a heads up on the above tweet from Hatton & Berkeley. Thanks to the person who alerted me.

So funny that they didn't remove the Robert Croucher image which every time I see it I think of a mug shot taken by police when they arrested him for kicking an uber drivers head in.

The tweet links to a post on Hatton And Berkeley website:

https://www.hb-administration.co.uk/news-articles/2017/11/6/the-reptile-fund

I suppose I am cautiously optimistic that H&B are actually looking at piracy from the standpoint of targeting the "leader cells":

So we monitor the upstream and downstream incidences of piracy, separate out the takers from the distributors, and then set our sights on stopping each leader “cell” – those 35% of cells that influence 95% of the digital piracy network. This means we can effectively disrupt a whole network to slow digital piracy. The cure is not easy, but there is actually a cure.


I feel that the "fight" taken by copyright holders has changed a bit. The situation with "fully loaded" content boxes shows that bittorrent is not the copyright holders problem anymore. The problem for Golden Eye International Limited is the current climate doesn't support their bittorrent revenue stream that they solely rely on.

From my standpoint, if H&B solely target the actual distributors who provide the illegal content and definitely not target IP addresses that drags innocent people into paying exuberant and unjustified settlement demands, then as I say, I cautiously commend them.

Of course that can be spoilt by the next settlement letters that a H&B affiliated "copyright holder" sends out.


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Thnaks Bpaw, you are too kind.

I was about to post this, just seen it, quite laughable really, as it makes no actual sense. It also as you point out has Robert "Cabby Kicker" Croucher on the link, a "Curated by Christian Muller" on the page, and a "Contact Us: Simon Thomson
Simon.thomson@hattonandberkeley.com"

I would say confused.

Bpaw, I think I read it slightly different. It seemed to me that the idiots are looking at the head of a leecher pack not the seeder! They are clueless, if they did target the ORIGINAL seeder, the people who actually leak the content, they would have some sympathy, but then that is not exploiting innocent people is it.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:16 am

Hickster wrote:I was about to post this, just seen it, quite laughable really, as it makes no actual sense. It also as you point out has Robert "Cabby Kicker" Croucher on the link, a "Curated by Christian Muller" on the page, and a "Contact Us: Simon Thomson
Simon.thomson@hattonandberkeley.com"

I would say confused.

Bpaw, I think I read it slightly different. It seemed to me that the idiots are looking at the head of a leecher pack not the seeder! They are clueless, if they did target the ORIGINAL seeder, the people who actually leak the content, they would have some sympathy, but then that is not exploiting innocent people is it.

Yeah mate, I do get where you are coming from.

I see two instances that has slightly led me to give a benefit of doubt.

Firstly, apart from the tweet, they are removing Croucher imagery so the question lies in whether he still has any influence or advisory capacity (He can certainly advise on the best way to knock out an uber driver). He decided to take you and me on with threats on twitter, and he then had no choice but to delete his twitter account, which shows that may be H&B have realised he shouldn't have any influence.

Secondly, their own experience with the Kemble case has shown little reward in that particular Court case which must have proved a very expensive venture, so much so that they removed the link and reference on their site after it. If they were so sure of their evidence, why settle out of Court? And only they will know if they achieved enough income from their extortion settlement demands.

I thought I would on this imply to them through tweets that I cautiously commend them if they are going after the seeders. My point is to show from my perspective that I am not condoning piracy, and if an organisation has learned lessons and actually go after those who do profit out of piracy, then best of luck.

It also allows me then to criticise them more so if this is just an attempt to dress up speculative invoicing under some other confusing description. If they did do this then H&B will never be allowed to remove their association with Croucher because we will always continually remind them and others.

Let's see, H&B........
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(No watching trolls, H&B does not mean Hickster & Bpaw, or even Holland & Barrett - It means Hatton & Berkeley)
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