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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby bpaw » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:58 am

ohnonothim wrote:An IP address could = IP address that used to be being used by someone for Torrent, but now reassigned to someone new not using the torrent.

But software accuracy is a huge problem too.


Had a funny one in work today. A small website that runs on one of routers went down. We investigated it, and found we could ping continuous the public (fixed) ip (Ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -t). We then switched the router off and the ping continued! Rang BT and they couldn't understand or offer any advice. After about 10mins it stopped pinging and we switched the router back on and it worked OK. Odd. :tinfoilhat:[/quote]
Sounds like someone was using your IP.

The irony didn't escape me. Not sure what could cause this, yet! The call is logged with BT, and if it happens again it will have to be investigated. Or it could be a one off.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
Source Link: BBC News
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby Offthehook » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:49 am

DHCP threw a fit?
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby bpaw » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:58 am

Regards our IP / router problem, it's had the problem all night which I only noticed after my last post. We are able to ping our public (Fixed) IP from another ADSL line even though the router is switched off. Rang BT and they believe it to be ourselves using the user name / password off another broadband. I told him there is no way this could happen, as we are meticulous with our user / passwords and their use, and nothing has changed on these for months. We will follow his advice of resetting the password at the business portal. This is quite interesting! :tinfoilhat:
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby bpaw » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:05 am

Outlaw.com article on adjournment:
http://out-law.com/page-11425
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby Offthehook » Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:27 am

What BT really mean is:

"We've been caught out and now we're not going to just roll over and email our customers details. For the first time ever, we will go to court and stand up on our customers behalf by dragging one of our over-paid lawyers off the golf course and into court."

Only taken 4 years...
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby shufferin'shuccotash » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:31 am

Hickster wrote:Ok Ok, i dont wnt to sound any alarm bells here, BUT has the media interest in this waned? has it lost interest already? I have this horrid feeling it has, or are we in the calm before the storm?


I think it's only natural the media interest will wane - no new developments means there is no "breaking" news to report. Unless Andy :wank (Hiya Andy :howdy: ) or fat twat Terry :wank (Hiya Terry :howdy: ) make another monumental balls-up, the next big development will likely be the GM hearing on January 12th next year. Or maybe if anything comes of the ICO/SRA investigations into that :wank s conduct etc. Who knows? But I think there are plenty of people out there who are keeping tabs on this issue and any developments (including a number of people on this forum) and will be able to keep others up to date.

Actually, I'm forgetting AlexHanff's potential new developments with Sky - any news yet Alex?
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby berti3 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:47 am

Is anyone taking a case to the new Legal Ombudsman about ACS:Law? That would seem newsworthy.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby 999whatthe » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:00 am

When I spoke to the Legal Ombudsman, they stated that it was not their area to deal with and pointed me at the SRA to make the complaint!

This contradicts the report that the first complaint was about GM!

Maybe some else might like to call them and report on their advice after querying the GM compaint as it was the first made when they opened for trading ??
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby BackToLife » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:11 am

Hi all! I’m a long time watcher of this magnificent forum and I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for allaying my initial fears caused by the appalling law firm known as ACS.

I just received my second letter from them, which is the new style short ramble seeking 1K towards legal costs (ho-ho – these jokers eh?), and would be grateful for your advice. I was one of the BSkyB customers who appeared on the leaked Excel spreadsheet and I would like to know if I should make reference to that in my second LoD e.g. “Thank you for managing the security on your website so well and exposing some of my personal data linked to a pornographic film I have never even heard of. If I receive any further letters from your firm I shall treat them as harassment and in return I shall then either send you a luxurious semtex cake or drive a Range Rover into your premises in the style of George Michael.” – something like that? An alternative version would be welcome perhaps with a SRA element.

Thanks again to ALL of you.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby The996 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:13 am

shufferin'shuccotash wrote:I think it's only natural the media interest will wane - no new developments means there is no "breaking" news to report. Unless Andy :wank (Hiya Andy :howdy: ) or fat twat Terry :wank (Hiya Terry :howdy: ) make another monumental balls-up, the next big development will likely be the GM hearing on January 12th next year. Or maybe if anything comes of the ICO/SRA investigations into that :wank s conduct etc. Who knows? But I think there are plenty of people out there who are keeping tabs on this issue and any developments (including a number of people on this forum) and will be able to keep others up to date.

Actually, I'm forgetting AlexHanff's potential new developments with Sky - any news yet Alex?


Don't forget we've got the Golden Eye chancers too. Folk were talking about Trading Standards / ICO involved here so hopefully something will happen to get the issues at hand back under scrutiny. There's a risk ACS become the thin end of the wedge if individual rights holders feel empowered to take matters into their own hands. I'd like to see that nipped in the bud.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby shufferin'shuccotash » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:19 am

BackToLife wrote:Hi all! I’m a long time watcher of this magnificent forum and I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for allaying my initial fears caused by the appalling law firm known as ACS.

I just received my second letter from them, which is the new style short ramble seeking 1K towards legal costs (ho-ho – these jokers eh?), and would be grateful for your advice. I was one of the BSkyB customers who appeared on the leaked Excel spreadsheet and I would like to know if I should make reference to that in my second LoD e.g. “Thank you for managing the security on your website so well and exposing some of my personal data linked to a pornographic film I have never even heard of. If I receive any further letters from your firm I shall treat them as harassment and in return I shall then either send you a luxurious semtex cake or drive a Range Rover into your premises in the style of George Michael.” – something like that? An alternative version would be welcome perhaps with a SRA element.

Thanks again to ALL of you.


As far as I'm aware, this threat of looking for £1k legal costs is new, but I have only been involved in all of this for a few weeks, and haven't even received a second letter yet. Can someone (or preferably a few people) who had their second letter pre-leak confirm whether this is a new tactic or not?

Secondly, I wouldn't make any reference to anything in the letter other than the denial. On the assumption that it's a "we don't accept templates letter", inform them that your first letter is legally valid, and repeat your denial again. Possibly say that as they have not provided any evidence pointing to you as the person infiringing copyright, you now consider the matter closed and you will not respond to any future correspondence. I'm guessing you're joking about the semtex/George Michael thing, because that would not be a good way to go.

Do not supply any further information, do not try to "bait" them, just denial only.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby Terry1238 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:22 am

BackToLife wrote:Hi all! I’m a long time watcher of this magnificent forum and I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for allaying my initial fears caused by the appalling law firm known as ACS.

I just received my second letter from them, which is the new style short ramble seeking 1K towards legal costs (ho-ho – these jokers eh?), and would be grateful for your advice. I was one of the BSkyB customers who appeared on the leaked Excel spreadsheet and I would like to know if I should make reference to that in my second LoD e.g. “Thank you for managing the security on your website so well and exposing some of my personal data linked to a pornographic film I have never even heard of. If I receive any further letters from your firm I shall treat them as harassment and in return I shall then either send you a luxurious semtex cake or drive a Range Rover into your premises in the style of George Michael.” – something like that? An alternative version would be welcome perhaps with a SRA element.

Thanks again to ALL of you.


If you've already sent a LOD why send another one?

Your time would be better spent writing to the SRA and the ICO.

I wouldn't bother sending bomb-threats to Crossley or threatening his property. If somebody does damage his house, which is entirely possible, the police may well arrest you as a suspect. The first thing they'll do down the station is photograph, fingerprint you and then take a DNA mouth-swab.

I'm sure that other people have (rather understandably) already threatened Crossley. The more intelligent ones won't have given him their names and addresses.

Assuming that you were joking, I would urge you to complain to the SRA and ICO.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby 999whatthe » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:26 am

On the note of complaining to the ICO, noting I have supplied AlaexHoff with my details etc, should I also contact them directly ?

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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby BackToLife » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:28 am

shufferin'shuccotash wrote:
BackToLife wrote:Hi all! I’m a long time watcher of this magnificent forum and I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for allaying my initial fears caused by the appalling law firm known as ACS.

I just received my second letter from them, which is the new style short ramble seeking 1K towards legal costs (ho-ho – these jokers eh?), and would be grateful for your advice. I was one of the BSkyB customers who appeared on the leaked Excel spreadsheet and I would like to know if I should make reference to that in my second LoD e.g. “Thank you for managing the security on your website so well and exposing some of my personal data linked to a pornographic film I have never even heard of. If I receive any further letters from your firm I shall treat them as harassment and in return I shall then either send you a luxurious semtex cake or drive a Range Rover into your premises in the style of George Michael.” – something like that? An alternative version would be welcome perhaps with a SRA element.

Thanks again to ALL of you.


As far as I'm aware, this threat of looking for £1k legal costs is new, but I have only been involved in all of this for a few weeks, and haven't even received a second letter yet. Can someone (or preferably a few people) who had their second letter pre-leak confirm whether this is a new tactic or not?

Secondly, I wouldn't make any reference to anything in the letter other than the denial. On the assumption that it's a "we don't accept templates letter", inform them that your first letter is legally valid, and repeat your denial again. Possibly say that as they have not provided any evidence pointing to you as the person infiringing copyright, you now consider the matter closed and you will not respond to any future correspondence. I'm guessing you're joking about the semtex/George Michael thing, because that would not be a good way to go.

Do not supply any further information, do not try to "bait" them, just denial only.


Thanks for that Shufferin, really appreciate that!

Yes, the £1K legal costs does appear to be a new ploy. It seems a few of us have now received a letter of this type. I'd also be interested to know if this is a new scaremongering tatic they've added to their bow?

Yes, the semtex/GM thing was just wishful thinking. I'm a good person really...well unless ACS do take me to court because then I'll unleash the HULK (the green monster and not to be confused with Hulk who plays for FC Porto).
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby BackToLife » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:33 am

Thank you Terry 1238 for your advice and yes, I was joking. Please treat this email as my LoD if such an event occurs. :)
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby samanthaj » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:46 am

I think although I might be wrong that the 1K legal costs thing has been there for a while and has been mentioned before in earlier posts and has come into play in later letters after the initial loc and lod.

One of the veterans may be able to clarify this though, Hickster would be a good person to ask I would think.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby sprungaleak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:58 am



Thanks for that Shufferin, really appreciate that!

Yes, the £1K legal costs does appear to be a new ploy. It seems a few of us have now received a letter of this type. I'd also be interested to know if this is a new scaremongering tatic they've added to their bow?

Yes, the semtex/GM thing was just wishful thinking. I'm a good person really...well unless ACS do take me to court because then I'll unleash the HULK (the green monster and not to be confused with Hulk who plays for FC Porto).



its a template on the internet :lol: How close is it to this letter on the Guardian web pages >

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38685924/ACS- ... -copyright
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby BackToLife » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:13 am

sprungaleak wrote:


Thanks for that Shufferin, really appreciate that!

Yes, the £1K legal costs does appear to be a new ploy. It seems a few of us have now received a letter of this type. I'd also be interested to know if this is a new scaremongering tatic they've added to their bow?

Yes, the semtex/GM thing was just wishful thinking. I'm a good person really...well unless ACS do take me to court because then I'll unleash the HULK (the green monster and not to be confused with Hulk who plays for FC Porto).



its a template on the internet :lol: How close is it to this letter on the Guardian web pages >

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38685924/ACS- ... -copyright


Yes, it's exactly the same TEMPLATE. Unbelievable, really unbelievable and yet...believable what with all the nonsense this firm dishes out on a daily basis.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby johnmanc » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:16 am

samanthaj wrote:I think although I might be wrong that the 1K legal costs thing has been there for a while and has been mentioned before in earlier posts and has come into play in later letters after the initial loc and lod.

One of the veterans may be able to clarify this though, Hickster would be a good person to ask I would think.


Yep, Crossley was doing this 12 months ago, nothing has changed.

Remember guys (and girls): send 1 LoD, recorded delivery

and forget the douche bag!

PS I have champagne on ice for when ACS Law finally folds! Exciting times indeed.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby Hickster » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:19 am

Gallant Macmillan http://www.gmlegal.co.uk/ Back up

Ministry of Sound http://www.ministryofsound.com/ Back up

ACS:LAW http://www.acs-law.org.uk Like they never existed


EDIT: Can we actually confirm that ACS:LAW are STILL sending out letters? or not. Have any gone out AFTER the email take down dat of 24/09/10. Forgive me if I have missed the post, it HAS been busy!
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby sprungaleak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:21 am

BackToLife wrote:
sprungaleak wrote:


Thanks for that Shufferin, really appreciate that!

Yes, the £1K legal costs does appear to be a new ploy. It seems a few of us have now received a letter of this type. I'd also be interested to know if this is a new scaremongering tatic they've added to their bow?

Yes, the semtex/GM thing was just wishful thinking. I'm a good person really...well unless ACS do take me to court because then I'll unleash the HULK (the green monster and not to be confused with Hulk who plays for FC Porto).



its a template on the internet :lol: How close is it to this letter on the Guardian web pages >

http://www.scribd.com/doc/38685924/ACS- ... -copyright


Yes, it's exactly the same TEMPLATE. Unbelievable, really unbelievable and yet...believable what with all the nonsense this firm dishes out on a daily basis.



Agreed, one rule for him and another for us :wank er
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby sprungaleak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:23 am

Hickster wrote:Gallant Macmillan http://www.gmlegal.co.uk/ Back up

Ministry of Sound http://www.ministryofsound.com/ Back up

ACS:LAW http://www.acs-law.org.uk Like they never existed


EDIT: Can we actually confirm that ACS:LAW are STILL sending out letters? or not. Have any gone out AFTER the email take down dat of 24/09/10. Forgive me if I have missed the post, it HAS been busy!


Seems that a few people have had letters, Angryman and BackToLife. I note that I cannot access the payment website (on GMlegal), is that true for anyone else ?
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby shufferin'shuccotash » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:26 am

Hickster wrote:Gallant Macmillan http://www.gmlegal.co.uk/ Back up

Ministry of Sound http://www.ministryofsound.com/ Back up

ACS:LAW http://www.acs-law.org.uk Like they never existed


EDIT: Can we actually confirm that ACS:LAW are STILL sending out letters? or not. Have any gone out AFTER the email take down dat of 24/09/10. Forgive me if I have missed the post, it HAS been busy!


There's a couple of people on here that have said they've received letters dated 27th September, and one that said the 28th. All letters as far as I'm aware were the response to an initial LoD, "we do not accept templates" blah blah blah. So, it's possible that ACS :wank are still in business, albeit in a limited capacity.

The sooner this shower of shite fold the better.

As for GM's site, I can access the homepage, but if I click any links I get

"A network-related or instance-specific error occurred while establishing a connection to SQL Server. The server was not found or was not accessible. Verify that the instance name is correct and that SQL Server is configured to allow remote connections. (provider: SQL Network Interfaces, error: 26 - Error Locating Server/Instance Specified) "

then a whole lot of code.
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby BackToLife » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:28 am

johnmanc wrote:...I have champagne on ice for when ACS Law finally folds! Exciting times indeed.
:lol:

Save a glass for me! :toast: :arrow: :toast:
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Re: Official ACS:LAW/Davenport-Lyons lawsuit letter discussion

Postby sprungaleak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:37 am

shufferin'shuccotash wrote:
Hickster wrote:Gallant Macmillan http://www.gmlegal.co.uk/ Back up

Ministry of Sound http://www.ministryofsound.com/ Back up

ACS:LAW http://www.acs-law.org.uk Like they never existed


EDIT: Can we actually confirm that ACS:LAW are STILL sending out letters? or not. Have any gone out AFTER the email take down dat of 24/09/10. Forgive me if I have missed the post, it HAS been busy!


There's a couple of people on here that have said they've received letters dated 27th September, and one that said the 28th. All letters as far as I'm aware were the response to an initial LoD, "we do not accept templates" blah blah blah. So, it's possible that ACS :wank are still in business, albeit in a limited capacity.

The sooner this shower of shite fold the better.

As for GM's site, I can access the homepage, but if I click any links I get

"A network-related or instance-specific error occurred while establishing a connection to SQL Server. The server was not found or was not accessible. Verify that the instance name is correct and that SQL Server is configured to allow remote connections. (provider: SQL Network Interfaces, error: 26 - Error Locating Server/Instance Specified) "

then a whole lot of code.


Perhaps they are securing the customer details as requested by the ISPS, as it was probably on the same server as their webpage (well if you can call it that my four year old can do better) :lol:
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