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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:07 pm

Hi Alice again! Very good advice, and thanks for re-linking to a previous post of mine. Grammar isn’t important if the advice is understood. I think you achieved that.

A bit of clarity is needed from myself, and I apologise if I may have mislead or misinformed observers from the points I have made.

From what I have seen and articles read, the letters are worded in a way to suggest that TCYK are targeting those who didn’t initially respond to their first letter. The letter states “Your response was never received”.

Those who have sent copies of their letter, which I thank again for those who did for doing so, show a consistency in this. I am very reluctant to post on here any detail of the letters unless there is an exact part that is in all of them I see.

The crux of this from the TCYK letter is they are going by the assertion that the recipient did not respond to their first letter of claim. By this, TCYK are putting the recipient of the letter into a position of them thinking that TCYK are returning to them near the end of TCYK’s ability to issue Court claim proceedings on the basis that TCYK did not receive a response to their initial letter of claim.

Now from the multitude of correspondence I have had with those who recently received letters of claim from TCYK, I can see that there are some who did respond to TCYK from their first letter of claim, even though TCYK claim that the recipient didn’t reply.

Here’s the problem. Going by the advice on this thread on this forum, it is always said to reply to these copyright trolls with a posted letter recorded delivery so you can have proof of TCYK receiving your response. Telephone calls can’t be proved unless you record them, and emails can be proven to be sent, but can’t be proven they were read by the recipient. A signed for letter which the sender receives a proven delivery is proof.

What was never given on this thread is keeping the proof for six years. It has been said on this forum that the statute of limitations for such a civil claim is six years, but keeping the proof for a potential Court case is obviously very unlikely when you really believe that the matter is closed.

I don’t have all the understanding of every situation, but I have one particular thought. The imperative from everyone is to have the proof that you denied their claim, and you have the proof that TCYK received that. This is a five year old allegation, so how many recipients still hold that proof? Did TCYK factor that in their latest claim? They probably did.

There is a certain amount of expense and risk involved in TCYK doing what they recently did with sending these letters out. Make no mistake that Robert Edwin Croucher, even though a convicted thug, and especially being a convicted thug, no doubt has put his well-educated (And lack of real-world experienced) mind into this for the purpose of his claim of copyright protection which is copyright extortion.

Not everyone is in the same situation, and MrMike I would say in your situation being in someone else’s name could be for any reason we don’t know. I will say do not post any detail of this on this thread. If what I have mentioned now has given you good advice to respond or not so then good. If you are still unsure, then PM me with a bit more detail, and I will try to advise.

BTW, I thank those again who provided copied of their letters and corresponded with me, and I may have a sneaky suspicion that one of the letters may have been graciously provided by a (c) troll.

Maybe not!
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
Source Link: BBC News
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby bpaw » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:05 pm

On a separate note, and specifically aimed at TCYK or any other (c) troll, I/me/we are here for those who are innocent of your claim. Your claim is against an ISP subscriber. Someone who decided to put their name against paying a household bill. Just like someone who puts their name against paying a water/electric/gas etc bill.

Your claim also relies on the ISP subscriber who knows they didn't commit your ALLEGED infringement to name those who may have used their internet connection. In a sense of your ALLEGED claim, this could be those in the same household, or any visitor who was granted use of a WiFi connection that is linked to the ISP subscribers internet connection.

I personally believe that the BitTorrent monitors have a mechanism that is fundamentally flawed. Time and time again their monitoring software which captures so many IP addresses can only be matched to an actual ISP subscriber by an average accuracy of 33%. So basically, for every three IP addresses monitored by these so called "Expert witnesses", one of these IP addresses is able to be linked to an ISP subscriber.

It's an inherent flaw.

So excuse me for being biased against you, you copyright trolls.

One thing I am not is an excuser of pirates. I don't give advice to those who say they are guilty. I don't believe that those who download copyright material would pay for it, so I don't believe the claim from copyright trolls that every download is a lost sale. For from it. That is my belief, but not my advice to those who contact me for help.

I believe, and I know from my own personal experience of receiving a letter from ACS:Law that innocent people have been and are being targeted by copyright trolls. Enough to know that I want to help those who are innocent.

I give advice under the assumption of what is told me. No one has ever asked me for advice and said they were guilty of the alleged offence.

I would never give anybody advice to deny the alleged infringement if they admitted to me that they did commit the infringement.

Am I bothered if those who did commit the infringement ask for my help when not admitting it to me? No. The "evidence" is one download, and their claim is sharing to the "swarm". Uh? Evidence? What evidence? Where's their evidence?

So, to TCKY or any copyright troll out there, this thread is for the innocents which you know about but still target.

Also, TCYK or other (c) trolls. Stop trying to catch me out.
"Hatton & Berkeley, which provides financial services to small businesses, sent the letters on behalf of its client TCYK LLC to Mrs Drew. Robert Croucher, managing director of Hatton & Berkeley, said: "They [the letters] are part of what's referred to as a pre-action protocol. We send them before action...They don't actually make a demand for money."
Source Link: BBC News
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Darkstar » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:57 pm

Yo guys. Just after a bit of advice.

So a few years back these clowns tried this crap on me. I found this website and followed the advice. I think it was back in 2017 maybe? Either way i had a chuckle about it.

Anyway, so i have moved house now, in fact i have moved out of the UK altogether, likely never to return (still in the EU, or at least will be until they sort Brexit out).

I follow this thread every few months just to see how things are going and noticed the mention of this 6 years after the alleged infringement concern.

So what should i do about pre planning against any crap they might try in the future? Should i not worry or shall i ensure that all possible things are done so that they can find my address abroad?

Personally i couldn't care less about their Mickey Mouse campaign since the alleged movie i apparently downloaded is allegedly available on any major tube site (no names mentioned).

The only 'evidence' they allegedly had on me was an IP address at a time when i was at work and no one was at home and the router was turned off (always turn it off if i am away on business and house is empty).

So yeah any precautions i need to take?
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Darkstar » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:35 pm

Further to the above it was earlier than 2017 and was around 2015 i think. Shows how much i paid attention to caring. Similar to how much i cared about paying for a TV license when we didn't watch live TV and the BBC kept saying they would visit us every month for 8 years.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Strawman » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:59 am

You are under no obligation to make TCYK aware of your new address. Where their pre-action letters or claim form goes undelivered, the onus is on them to take steps to ascertain your current residence. They will almost certainly have no way of doing this unless you left a forwarding address.

Whilst the civil procedure rules do permit them in limited circumstances to use your original address as a 'last known address' for the purpose of service, the likelihood that the court will accept this, after the significant passage of time, is very low.

For TCYK to take reasonable steps to ascertain current residence seems a lot of work for little reward, and it is doubtful that they will have the appetite to do this for every single victim individually. That is not their business model.
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Re: Golden Eye Int LTD / GEIL / MIRCOM / TCYK Threat Discuss

Postby Stressed_Out » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:23 pm

Hi again everyone.

Been off the scene for quite a while and I know it's a bit late but I'd like to sincerely wish all on the forum
a very "Happy New Year" especially the newcomers. You have come to the right place.

You will find the advice on this "Scam" the very best there is to be had. Their knowledge is invaluable and broad in range.
What these guy's don't know about the "Scam" isn't worth knowing. They've tied knots in the "Scamsters" who profess to know all about fraudulently squeezing money out of vulnerable victims.

Please, if you're in the process of "Speculative Invoicing", take note of any and all advice given.

Remember "Don't give these "Scammers a penny"
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