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what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:26 pm
by jgeezz
what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

I got a DMA thing in my mail from charter the other day and posted about it, thanks to all that applied.

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=46703&p=512443&hilit=anyone+get+on+of+these#p512342

I was wonder if there is a way to access edonkey net works but not use edonkey seems like the DMA are really watching it in my area, looking for a under the radar way to access edonkey net work with out throwing up a 100 red flags each time i they to p2p.


Thanks all.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:47 pm
by zbeast
There is no way to do a blind connect to a edonkey-emule share.
All ip's connected to a give download can be found.
By it's very nature p2p is traceable.. because bad people can always join your download or put up a
trap download for you to receive.
If your really worried then you should go to usenet..
but it cuts you off from 50% of everything your looking for.
Someone may say route your connect via TOR... Please don't do that that network should not
be use for file trading it's just not ready for it.
In the future but not yet.. there will be a new network protocol called "The Phantom protocol"
it will provide the high performance and security your looking for.

If you can I would just change ISP's...but I bet your living in an apartment or your in a city
where you only have "cable" internet.

Sorry if I was not helpful.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:57 am
by Ratt
zbeast wrote:If you can I would just change ISP's...but I bet your living in an apartment or your in a city
where you only have "cable" internet.


Switching providers definitely seems like the thing to do. You should punish your provider for handing out IP information to third parties, and opt for providers who either don't give a damn, or manage to conveniently lose their logs - "oops, sorry Mr. copyright lawyer". In my experience that would mostly be the smaller providers, who run their operations on a shoe-string budget...

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:36 pm
by MrFredPFL
ratt: the OP got a C&D letter from charter, not from the copyright holder. what makes you think any ip address info was given out to anyone?

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:37 pm
by Dazzle_2
Of late I have seen an increase in p2p network disruption techniques in use and have had to apply further resources to handle an entirely new method of atack on the network I help with.
I,m pretty sure unless the users of Emule stay on their toes they will have no chance to deal with these attackers/IP gatherer's, I,m not certain why they are ramping up their attacks but I once again confirm they are and now is the time to create or obtain accurate blocklists that are relevant to the network of your choice, this is the single most helpful thing you can do to stop the interdictors/extortionists from winning by default, sometimes even blocklisting them can mean a "virtual" ddos attack until they get bored.

Happy days :lol:

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:56 pm
by velatire
VPN? The Relakks service?

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:39 am
by Downloader
http://www.i2p2.de/ New anonymising P2P protocol. I2P is still a work in progress, and should only be used for testing or development purposes prior to the 1.0 release. I2P works by routing traffic through other peers. Not sure how good it is as I only heard about it today. It is still under development but early beta's are available. Keep me posted if you find out anything. :)

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:22 am
by Dazzle_2
The problem of routing traffic through other peers is that the concept is great in theory but is one of poor performance in the real world, as we all know (I hope) all peers are not equal and this as well as a massive increase in network overhead all lead to a disappointing user experience.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:13 am
by Kullt
In the future but not yet.. there will be a new network protocol called "The Phantom protocol"


This is the first I've heard of it. Do you have more info? It sounds pretty interesting to me. :tinfoilhat:

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:29 am
by MrFredPFL
downloader - i2p is new??? seems like people have been posting about it here for years...

if it's still in beta after all this time, i'd say that's not a good sign.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:08 pm
by Downloader
MrFredPFL wrote:downloader - i2p is new??? seems like people have been posting about it here for years...

if it's still in beta after all this time, i'd say that's not a good sign.


Well it's news to me. :lol: Don't know how I missed it on here.

As for the length of the beta, as long as the project is still active it's not all bad news. (It was recently updated.) 8) I wish them all the luck getting it past beta phase.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:11 pm
by Dazzle_2
I beleive this is what Zbeast was refering to Kullt

http://www.fortego.se/phantom-paper.pdf

There is also a project page here for when the project has something to deliver.

http://code.google.com/p/phantom/

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:13 pm
by chainmail
Except for Japan's popular Winny, anonymous P2P networks have turned out to be a dismal failure - at least as measured by file availability. Download sites like Rapidshare have become a huge hit, and with Usenet growing by leaps and bounds - and becoming cheaper - there's almost no chance that the situation will change. People who want to download files without fear of copyright enforcers are migrating toward usenet and 'one-click' hosters and are joining the many online communities where download links and NZB files are posted.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:44 pm
by Ratt
MrFredPFL wrote:ratt: the OP got a C&D letter from charter, not from the copyright holder. what makes you think any ip address info was given out to anyone?


My mistake, I assumed that there had been information released by the provider to a copyright holder.
But if it were me, I'd still change providers. :)

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:02 pm
by Drizzel
zbeast wrote:If your really worried then you should go to usenet..
but it cuts you off from 50% of everything your looking for.


That is just bad inaccurate information. It will not cut you off from 50% of everything you are looking for. If anything it will increase what you can get. News servers these days have huge retention. Astraweb and Newshosting both have 300+ days. Astraweb even has ssl to go along with that at a very affordable price. Also with sites like Binsearch and Newzleech it is easier than ever to find what you are looking for. Download speeds using newsgroups are far superior to anything else out there. Your line will be maxed always. Usenet would be the way to go. I've never had a problem finding what I need on usenet. Especially now with the high retention and all. If you find yourself in a situation where you cant find what you are looking for, learn how to make a proper request on irc. Dont post a request in the newsgroup its self, it will be completely ignored. I think that little mistake is where a lot of usenet n00bs get turned off by newsgroups. All the popular altbin newsgroups have corresponding irc channels for requesting and chat. Ditch the edonkey network, heck ditch p2p all together.. you wont regret it.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:36 pm
by NocturnalVagabond
Drizzel wrote:
zbeast wrote:If your really worried then you should go to usenet..
but it cuts you off from 50% of everything your looking for.

That is just bad inaccurate information. It will not cut you off from 50% of everything you are looking for. If anything it will increase what you can get.

If you are looking for mainstream stuff, or things released in the last five or so years, yeah.
If you are looking for something 20 years old that never actually made it to number one, or a VHSrip of a movie that was a minor success but never released on DVD, or special interest software that is only used by a small number of people, etc, then no - usenet will most likely NOT have it.
This is what zbeast was referring to. Newsgroups have been around a long time, and their usefulness for rare files has never been good. This is why networks such as eD2K thrived, and although they have died a bit in recent times, they are still the best way to find a lot of material you simply cannot get through usenet. 50% is probably a tad high, but the point is valid.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:11 am
by Gausseliminator
another valid point is that although you may find that obscure vhs rip from 1980, you will never be able to complete the download on ed2k, since there is probably only 1 source to that file and he is sharing 5000 other files on a dailup line.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:05 am
by NocturnalVagabond
:lookup: Been there, done that, cursed like a truckie at the screen ....

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:33 am
by Ratt
Gausseliminator wrote:another valid point is that although you may find that obscure vhs rip from 1980, you will never be able to complete the download on ed2k, since there is probably only 1 source to that file and he is sharing 5000 other files on a dailup line.


Still better than having no options at all, though. I would wait it out for months.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:48 am
by lowland
seedboxes are cheap now (I pay 5 euro/month for mine which includes SSL/TLS access), so having one plus usenet access (block account best for me) gives a person access to an endless array of content without any risk. just be willing to pay a little (usually much less than the ISP bill) .

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:56 pm
by Overnet User
Gausseliminator wrote:another valid point is that although you may find that obscure vhs rip from 1980, you will never be able to complete the download on ed2k, since there is probably only 1 source to that file and he is sharing 5000 other files on a dailup line.


haha just have to download many file then...

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:57 pm
by Overnet User
NocturnalVagabond wrote:
Drizzel wrote:
zbeast wrote:I This is why networks such as eD2K thrived, and although they have died a bit in recent times, they are still the best way to find a lot of material you simply cannot get through usenet. 50% is probably a tad high, but the point is valid.



I get 8.4 million on ed2k and 2.7 million on kad. I wouldn't say ed2k had died.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:21 pm
by NocturnalVagabond
Overnet User wrote:I get 8.4 million on ed2k and 2.7 million on kad. I wouldn't say ed2k had died.

I only said died "a bit".
Since overnet and edonkey folded, the network has never really been the same. Not interested in an emule vs edonkey debate either, so the mule fans needn't waste their time. I always found that at least while metamachine was around, the emule devs worked harder. Now, there is little more done to the client. And now with so few valid servers, Kad was touted as the next big thing, but never really lived up to the hype.
Don't get me wrong, emule works and still works well for finding lesser known and rare stuff. The problem is that, although it reports high numbers on the networks, this seems far beyond the actual valid number of sources in most cases. But in our instant-gratification, time-limited society, BT makes more sense as a first option.
You can certainly get a high number of emule sources on mainstream, well-distributed files, but these are usually the files you can find on BT/newsgroups anyway, and can get much quicker.
Another thing to consider is that here in Australia (and many other countries) we live with shitfully low bandwidth caps. Not sure about the others, but the Oz caps tend to include uploads as well, and also the Kad overhead has always been a problem. Put together this can add up to quite a bit over a month of heavy usage.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:44 pm
by Dazzle_2
Filesharing should involve file sharing, newsgroups and rapidshare methods of obtaining files are simply leeching methods and its really not something any self respecting filesharer should take part in unless its to obtain something to share :wink:

I have read all the posts above mine and yet I,m still on the same network I started with, the WinMX peer network , the content is perhaps older and definitely very diverse but thats what folks like about it, its decentralised so theres no server to seize or close down and file transfers are direct one to one, also its got a powerful reputation amongst its followers as being "safe", though this is a relative term it does have some validity, you need only ask yourself when was the last time any users where send nasty-grams.

Re: what to use that is not as traceable as edonkey?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:55 pm
by NocturnalVagabond
Dazzle_2 wrote:Filesharing should involve file sharing, newsgroups and rapidshare methods of obtaining files are simply leeching methods and its really not something any self respecting filesharer should take part in unless its to obtain something to share :wink:

Here's another way of looking at it:
If I run a torrent app at least 12 hours a day, uploading about 10 gig, while in the same time I pull about 10 gig off usenet, then as far as I am concerned I am still far from leeching. They won't be the same files, but that's not relevant.
Thinking in terms of up & down with only one method is a little limited - I prefer to look at the whole community over the range of methods, as long as you keep up and down IN TOTAL roughly equal then I would say that fits the definition of a good file-sharer. :D