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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:06 am

And on the topic of TV shows, I spent months downloading Millennium (classic series that didn't get more than 1 series on air in UK) from Edonkey. If they'd made this available to purchase I would have rushed out an bought it straight away. Then when I'd finished they all turned up on BT in a matter of weeks. Same happened with the Kolchak TV series. It's at times like that when I really want to kick the Donkey in the ass :) Or is it the ass in the donkey? Who knows.
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:09 am

Well you still got them faster on the donkey than if you had waited for BT sites :wink:

And it could have taken a lot longer. I got "3rd Rock From The Sun" from ed2k a long time ago. It became available on BT half a year later, although the torrent died again fairly fast, but it's popped up now and then since. Still I would have wasted so much time scanning trackers to find that over a long period of time and in the end have got it slower. Once more it was ed2k to the rescue :D
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Postby tater » Thu May 25, 2006 9:09 am

again only americans are now a small part of who download, way the minority,,, so again if its out on the web then its available somehow?? r it wouldnt be know to be on the web, yuk yuk....... and i could sit here and name thousands and more u wont find on emule, so we can bicker all day on a lost puppy, but anyone who really says its good to wait weeks to months for somethiong is just plain desperate???
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Postby notbob » Thu May 25, 2006 9:10 am

Mel_Smiley_VIP wrote:I don't want to argue about my opinion or yours bit I will anyway.


your opinion and a quarter will get you 30 minutes of metered parking

what i've noticed about the whole edonkey is slow debate is that there are always people defending it, giving "speedup tips", what have you. and you know what? it is slow. horribly so. maybe you'll get an odd download at 15 kB/s, but my modern standards, it's glacial. the threads are getting godawful annoying too.

being too stubborn to try something else (and therby giving yourself the delusion that 15kB/s is "fast" ) is not a valid solution. edonkey is fine. you can get files with it, if you have no other choice, but don't kid yourself into thinking it's "fast"
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:11 am

tater wrote:again only americans are now a small part of who download, way the minority,,, so again if its out on the web then its available somehow?? r it wouldnt be know to be on the web, yuk yuk....... and i could sit here and name thousands and more u wont find on emule, so we can bicker all day on a lost puppy, but anyone who really says its good to wait weeks to months for somethiong is just plain desperate???


I notice you failed to find the show - not surprising since it isn't anywhere else except on ed2k.

Saying "It's on the web somewhere" is just plain sad. Please don't use flawed and naive arguments like that in a debate. Makes you sound like a little boy that actually think websites can offer him mp3's and whatever else he wants.
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 9:12 am

tater wrote:do u leave ur bathroom light on all the time 24/7, do u let you car run 24/7... then why tell me u sit and let a p2p run for months trying to get that so called rare file.... bttom line in its out there on the web, it can be gotten somehow , someway.. so to say you can only get rare stuff on emule, are to say i uplaod porn to get points?? might as well say i will also give ur pet treats for points, i will be nioce to ur old lady for points?
with larger capacity, and broadband speeds, you so faithfully whorship a tinkle of a something... u would be a lair if you didnt say if i could get the something that took 3 months in 2 hours you wouldnt do the 2 hours.. no its way past time u be really honest if its on e-maule its also on something else too, just do some creative searching... again i have treid emule
let some tinkle for weeks, thinking this is bs.. and u know what everyt time that something i though i really wanted show up somewhere else and was able to grab it in minutes to hours..so gop ahead and say the same ole thing its worth the wait u can only get it on emule
why we just snicker
havent already long ago got it... too bad u cant really get it???.. snicker


I don't know what exactly you have been smoking but downloads that take months to get are rather rare. As a long time ed2k user with interest in rare files I've rarely waited for that long. Once I've waited for about 7-8 months for a batch of files but that was because the sole source wasn't online for almost all the time. I can't even remember when I needed more than a month to get a file except the example I gave above.
Usually you get files in a matter of 1-3 days depending on the amount of sources. Sometimes in a matter of hours. Obviously the time becomes longer if the file is rare and the source(s) share(s) lots of popular files and don't/doesn't use mod(s) that push rare files.
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:14 am

notbob wrote:what i've noticed about the whole edonkey is slow debate is that there are always people defending it, giving "speedup tips", what have you. and you know what? it is slow. horribly so. maybe you'll get an odd download at 15 kB/s, but my modern standards, it's glacial. the threads are getting godawful annoying too.

being too stubborn to try something else (and therby giving yourself the delusion that 15kB/s is "fast" ) is not a valid solution. edonkey is fine. you can get files with it, if you have no other choice, but don't kid yourself into thinking it's "fast"


You are right that a few people seem to do the "speedup tip" thing and that's pretty silly. But 90% of those defending ed2k isn't denying it's slow, but saying that it's slow for a reason - and that reason is as you say content and availability (search available). The side that has the most "stubborn" people is the "speed" side that refuse to accept that ed2k has it's place - just read this thread to see it.
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 9:19 am

Andu wrote:What exactly are you thinking about?

@Assyrian I wonder how you can get even that much download speed. Your upload speed should limit you to a max of 3x your upload speed. That would be 3.x kB/s. :roll:



mostly the way it does slots. among other things that pointing out will only start another flamewar...

he's using shareaza... you can cheat the ratio in shareaza. (part of the reason his download speed sucks so bad too) the cheat is almost built in too. mess with the settings in the wrong order and it happens.

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Just recently i wanted a 1.3 gig game that is 4 years old now. there are 3 copys in various torrents sites. i tagged all 3. and also started it on emule.

Emule finished first by a wide margin since there are several thousand copies out there on ed2k. where the bt ones had a hundred people at best.


And wtf are you going on about lights and cars for? your house is filled with electronics that are never shut off.

And there are plenty more reasons than p2p to keep your pc running 24-7.

You must never do anything that will take hours or days to finish.

my record for a single task to finish once started is 2831 hours. running only when i was here you'd have to double that. at least.
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Postby P2P_G » Thu May 25, 2006 9:24 am

zim wrote:
Andu wrote:And there are plenty more reasons than p2p to keep your pc running 24-7.

You must never do anything that will take hours or days to finish.


I have my computer on 24h/day when i burn movies to dvd :wink: 8)
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 9:27 am

zim wrote:mostly the way it does slots. among other things that pointing out will only start another flamewar...


Well I have been on this issue the day zz introduced SlotFocus but under certain circumstances the current way to handle upload can be superior. That would be in case the sources are unreliable and likely to unshare the files right away. In such a case having 10 people finish at the same time can be better than 1 in 1/10 of the time.

@P2P_G you need to rearrange that quote. All credits for that statement belong to zim.
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:30 am

You know what's really odd? I just fired up my donkey client after about three days of having it turned off, and all my downloads are going 20kb/s and above. Maybe this thread has some kind of mojo going on.
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 9:30 am

hope you mean the conversion and not the burn itself...

otherwise you need a new drive or sumthin :P

But yeah... who the hell wants to sit and watch a progress bar creep for several hours.. start that crap and goto bed.. lol


I also feel shutting down every day puts more stress on the pc itself. both the power supply and the hard drives...
initial current. mechanical device.

real or not has been up for debate for years tho. i can find you engineers who swear to both.
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 9:36 am

yaveznodo wrote:You know what's really odd? I just fired up my donkey client after about three days of having it turned off, and all my downloads are going 20kb/s and above. Maybe this thread has some kind of mojo going on.


That would be me :roll:.
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:39 am

This is interesting (to me anyway)

When I fired up my Donkey client (lphant lite) I was getting about 300k overall download speed (split between the files) I was uploading 30k to mainly Emule clients.

So I shut it off and switched to Emule to do a quick comparison (same download folder and settings)

Uploading: 30kb overall (all emule clients)
Downloading: 0kb

Now why is that I wonder?
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 9:45 am

Who did you get the download from?
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:49 am

You mean the client, lphant lite? I got the Lphant lite client here http://lphant-lite.atspace.com/index.html

And I'm running a stock Emule v047a install, no tweaks or mods. All ports tested, forwarded and don't have Low ID.

Strange, eh?
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 9:54 am

No I mean the clients you got the download from. Maybe lphant lite has some kind of community or client boost. Could be coincidence if you luckily found a source without a queue and a T3 line and a mod with SlotFocus or anything similar.
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:57 am

Well, the clients I'm downloading from are identified as being on Emule (for what that's worth)

So I shut down Emule, fired up Lphant Lite again.

Within seconds I'm downloading again, 200kb/s plus. Giving out 30kb/s again. All Emule clients I'm connecting to.

And all this stuff is rare, Ozu films and James Stewart movies.

This is very weird.
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 10:03 am

Interesting. Are you using Kad on eMule? Does lphant have Kad support? I would recommend asking lphant lite devs if they can explain the behaviour.
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 10:07 am

whats lp announce itself as?

ed hybrid?
mldonkey?
em compat?
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Postby tater » Thu May 25, 2006 10:13 am

lol those die hard slooow emule users sure want to know how u got faster downloads,lol
so prove the points, the old well it have file that are no where else, emul is so good..lol when evey one would n a second modify are get what they want someother way if it was faster
, lol u emule mas users ought to swarm ur forums with enough make emile faster are we are going elsewhere, been 2 years r more ? and emule is too slow
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Postby P2P_G » Thu May 25, 2006 10:17 am

tater wrote:lol those die hard slooow emule users sure want to know how u got faster downloads,lol
so prove the points, the old well it have file that are no where else, emul is so good..lol when evey one would n a second modify are get what they want someother way if it was faster
, lol u emule mas users ought to swarm ur forums with enough make emile faster are we are going elsewhere, been 2 years r more ? and emule is too slow


Soo? yeah emule can be slow and wtf is the problem if i want a thing and i can only get it on eMule i can wait for it! :roll:
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 10:18 am

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oh god. 56k. thats so slow! i used to get better speeds on dialup! uphill both ways! in the snow!

now get off my lawn you damm kids!
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 10:32 am

Okay, so I just came back in (picking up nephews from school) and it's gone down to 25kb/s on Lphant lite, but it's steady.

Can't find out anywhere (all the options seem to be standard in settings) if it identifies as an Emule client or not.

Out of the nine clients I'm uploading too, 7 are Emule, 1 Shareaza, 1 Edonkey-hybrid.

All of the clients I'm downloading from are on Emule.

What is strange to me, is how this connects immediatly and starts downloading, where in Emule I get 0kb/s yet I'm uploading.


(KAD is on and connected in Emule. I don't know if Lphant lite uses Kad or not)
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 10:42 am

tater wrote:lol those die hard slooow emule users sure want to know how u got faster downloads,lol
so prove the points, the old well it have file that are no where else, emul is so good..lol when evey one would n a second modify are get what they want someother way if it was faster
, lol u emule mas users ought to swarm ur forums with enough make emile faster are we are going elsewhere, been 2 years r more ? and emule is too slow


While I'm usually not exactly too strict about language usage your lack of proper english makes it very very difficult to understand what you are trying to say.
I expect it to go along the lines 'Boohoo eMule is slow. Boohoo people don't agree with me. Boohoo people want stuff that they can't get anywhere else so they must be heretics. Boohoo I'm a mindless lemming and just want mainstream content so why are these people talking about rare stuff.'
Seriously if you just want files quickly then be my guest to just use BT or newsgroups. Even G1/G2 or Ares if you just want the next Britney Spears song. There is nothing wrong with that. But if someone wants to use ed2k who the hell are you to tell them not to. People will try and then they will make a choice. It's THEIR choice not yours. If they think there is something that does the job better they will use that.
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