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Postby Assyrian » Thu May 25, 2006 6:23 am

Mel_Smiley_VIP wrote:I really like emule. I have found so many files on there that can't be found elsewhere..


All the rare files i look for aren't from eMule.

Do you guys stare at your progress bars?


Yes, why else was it made? Why else was super fast broadband made?

The main people who hate it are the people who try to leech or use the wrong program to access the network.


Shareaza's also the wrong client for BT, tried it, got the same speeds i got from Az and uT.

ITs great to have a place where older content and great programs are always shared.


Always shared but long to get, yes.
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 6:53 am

tater wrote: and no one can run their computer 24/7
i know u reboot several times a week, we all do, s


Why would i need to reboot several times a week?

been running 24-7 since the last time i bought more hardware and had to shut down to install it. month+ now.
and the other 2k machine here has been running since the last time the power went out... almost 4 months now.

Why exactly do you need to reboot several times a week?
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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu May 25, 2006 7:29 am

I don't want to argue about my opinion or yours bit I will anyway. To me its a good network to get what I want. I just pick what files I want and then I don't worry about it. I have better things to do than sit and stare at my downloads. I use a lot of different netorks and nets to get my wares. Still, I have located files on emule that I couldnt find anywhere. "My Best Friends Birthday" is my favorite example. To a film buff, thats a holy grail, thought to be a myth. I had been looking for it for years. I soon uploaded it to a BT site though because I got tired of sending it to all my friends. The torrent soon died, no one supported it because most BTers do not support something even if its rare as fuck. It still can be found on emule and people get it from me all the time.


Why are people bitching about it? If you don't like it don't worry about it and move on. Whats the big deal? Seems you are just looking to fanboy Shareaza, the worst program ever IMO.
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Postby P2P_G » Thu May 25, 2006 7:34 am

Yeah, eD2k sux yeah, if i want a old russian movie, old songs, rare stuff, bosnian old stuff where do i download it? ONLY on eD2K, i'v found soo many cool stuff on eD2k so i'v will never stopp useing it! It can be slow but you need to upload and earn credits! I can find some good movies on gnutella or BT, the quality isn't that good, i start eMule and download the movie in HQ, i can wait 4 my files a long time! I dont need any super speed. There are long ques on eD2k because there are so much and good files and soo many users. Lol, Sharezaa really sux if you want to use ed2k with it, eDonkey2000 or eMule is a lot better.
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 7:42 am

I don't think it's bitching, Mel. I'm just curious about the whole Edonkey phenomenon (and yeah, I still use a donkey client) What I see is a network that feels (no proof of course) like I've been transported back to the old dial-up days. For patient people, that's fine. You leave it going in the background and check in every couple of days. But as acccess speeds become faster you would expect (maybe wrongly) for P2P apps like Edonkey to keep up. It's really dissapointing when you queue something up in the donkey and it has hundreds of sources and you're sat there looking at 4kbs download after three days.:)

For me Edonkey comes in when I can't either A:) find it on newsgroups B) find it on BT C)can't buy the particular item I want.

And for those occassional downloads it works out pretty ok.

Is there no P2P apps on the horizon that cater strictly to broadband users? Something new needs to happen I think to utliize all the speed we have at hand.
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Postby LaX » Thu May 25, 2006 8:10 am

yaveznodo wrote:Is there no P2P apps on the horizon that cater strictly to broadband users? Something new needs to happen I think to utliize all the speed we have at hand.

BT :P

If an mB/s or more doesnt satisfy you, return to 3006 please :D
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 8:22 am

Wheres the majority of your speed come from on bt.
from users who are NOT downloading that file right now.

wheres the majority of speed on ed2k come from.
from users who ARE downloading that file right now.


theres the diffrence. along with emule users sharing/downloading a greater total # of files.

i doubt there are very many ed2k users out there leaving it run and share without downloading.

but i know plenty of people leave torrents run long after everything finished downloading.


if you want to compare bt speeds to ed2k. you must compare torrents that have 1 seed only. and a # of peers on par with the # of sources you are comparing to in ed2k.

its pretty close then.

Also gotta factor in that torrents die. and die quick on the timescale of the life of an ed2k file. which runs for years.

using the bt ideals in ed2k... every one of our ed2k files has a share ratio of WELL over 10... but how many bt files have you seeded over 10.0?


you cant compare the two at all really. one is a full p2p app. one is only a p2p downloader.


And you do know.. that you are not limited to just using one p2p app? i hope...
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Postby MattMerch » Thu May 25, 2006 8:23 am

yaveznodo wrote:Is there no P2P apps on the horizon that cater strictly to broadband users? Something new needs to happen I think to utliize all the speed we have at hand.



the reason for that is most ppls uploads is only a fration of their d/l speed my self my u/l is tiny 1.3mb

compared to a reasonable 18mb d/l my fault for living in the uk

look at most isps adverts its all about the d/l speed with little or no mention of the u/l speed
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Postby LaX » Thu May 25, 2006 8:27 am

zim, I do know that. Yet BT is the answer to yavez's question. I agree with what you said though.
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Postby P2P_G » Thu May 25, 2006 8:32 am

zim wrote:

i doubt there are very many ed2k users out there leaving it run and share without downloading.

but i know plenty of people leave torrents run long after everything finished downloading.



I leave eMule on somedays even if i do not download anything and i share files, not on BT after i download i close uTorrent down, because people do not need my upload speed on BT i think but on eMule people do!
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 8:42 am

Upload ONLY 1.3mb? Mine is 40kbs on a 4mb with Blueyonder. I pray for the day when I can upload 1.8mb. Maybe that day is coming soon if I can get a new provider :)

If an mB/s or more doesnt satisfy you, return to 3006 please


I come back to the Newsgroups again and how they've spoiled me. I max out my speed there, and I know, it's all on servers and you pay, but hell, it really is satisfying to see a full DVD come down the line in 2hours.:)

And no, I'm not ragging on Edonkey, I've used it for years, along with all the other protocols people have mentioned here. What I'd like to see is the kind of content Edonkey has but with a more reasonable (and yes instant) download speed. Maybe I'm asking for the moon on a stick, but a boy can dream, right?
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 8:45 am

There is an easy way to explain at least part of the "speed issue". On ed2k people share an average of 130 files. On BT I don't think that people upload more than let's say 2-3 files in average. Maybe slightly more. Let's now assume you have 100kB/s upload. Now even a total math retard can see that supporting 2-3 files is much easier than 130. You would have 33-50 kB/s for every file you are sharing in BT while you'd have less than 1kB/s for every file you are sharing on ed2k. Credits and priorities distort this slightly but not by much.
Another thing is that most broadband users have asymmetrical lines. They can download a lot more than they can upload. Since global upload equals global download there is no way that people can download faster than they download. Especially not if most of the files are a lot larger than an MP3.
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Postby zim » Thu May 25, 2006 8:47 am

you just cant have what you want... if bt had the files. it would have the speed of emule. if emule didnt have the files it would have the speed of bt...

theres only so much bandwidth to go around... bt just divides it up by a smaller factor.



ALTHO... speeds would improve on emule/edonkey if they did away with some of the stupid stupid STUPID options that are hardcoded into every damm client. not greatly. but some.

but trying to get that done just gets you or your client banned.
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Postby Andu » Thu May 25, 2006 8:49 am

What exactly are you thinking about?

@Assyrian I wonder how you can get even that much download speed. Your upload speed should limit you to a max of 3x your upload speed. That would be 3.x kB/s. :roll:
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 8:52 am

I know I can't have what I want (hence the moon on a stick thing) but there has to be something new, sooner or later. There'll be another BT eventually, something that turns everybody's heads and opens up yet another door for sharing.

The cat's out of the bag, and in the future we can only hope that cat gets bigger and faster:)
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 8:53 am

zim wrote:i doubt there are very many ed2k users out there leaving it run and share without downloading.


I do since I got a small and quiet box to run server duty for this and other things. But other than that I fully agree with what you said - you nailed the difference completely.

BitTorrent and Usenet caters to the same principle of limited selection at any time, weak or non-existant search possibilities using 3rd party sites, but what is there will be fast exactly because the smaller amount of content at any time means a lot more upload capacity for those things. A gross simplification of what you said, but everyone should be able to understand this.

I don't care if people on Usenet or BT also on occasion share a rare TV series (like once every 2nd year). On ed2k that rare TV series can be found all the time. It may take me a month or even two to download all the episodes - it will STILL be a hell of a lot faster than waiting for someone to post it on BT or Usenet - and much easier too since I don't have to check a variety of 3rd party sites every day for 2 years to find it.

Speed isn't just about how fast the actual download is but also about how much time you have to spend looking and waiting for the content you want. I know a lot of people who download from BT or Usenet at close to max speed constantly - in fact one friend of mine downloaded content so fast that there was no way he could watch what he downloaded as fast as he got it even if he did nothing but sit 24/7 watching his movies and whatnot. So I asked him what he did then and he said he used his burner 24/7 to burn it out on DVD's just in case one day he might want to see one of the movies.

First of all I do not understand such downloading for downloadings sake - I don't download anything I am not going to use/watch. Secondly why should I have to download things when someone want to release it on BT/Usenet and not when I want it? So I have to waste time finding, downloading, burning, storing and keeping track of that data every day instead of going and finding exactly what I need, when I need it with ed2k - I will pay the price of a slight waiting period for that level of comfort.
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Postby tater » Thu May 25, 2006 8:53 am

do u leave ur bathroom light on all the time 24/7, do u let you car run 24/7... then why tell me u sit and let a p2p run for months trying to get that so called rare file.... bttom line in its out there on the web, it can be gotten somehow , someway.. so to say you can only get rare stuff on emule, are to say i uplaod porn to get points?? might as well say i will also give ur pet treats for points, i will be nioce to ur old lady for points?
with larger capacity, and broadband speeds, you so faithfully whorship a tinkle of a something... u would be a lair if you didnt say if i could get the something that took 3 months in 2 hours you wouldnt do the 2 hours.. no its way past time u be really honest if its on e-maule its also on something else too, just do some creative searching... again i have treid emule
let some tinkle for weeks, thinking this is bs.. and u know what everyt time that something i though i really wanted show up somewhere else and was able to grab it in minutes to hours..so gop ahead and say the same ole thing its worth the wait u can only get it on emule
why we just snicker
havent already long ago got it... too bad u cant really get it???.. snicker
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 8:57 am

Calm down there Tater. Let's not turn this into some kind of P2P slanging match.

My enquirites were based upon my perception of Edonkey having used it for years. I have no doubt that with the Donkey you get way more choice for a hit in performance. All I wondered about was how this could be improved? The good thing is that we all have choice in P2P. :)
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Postby Assyrian » Thu May 25, 2006 9:00 am

Mel_Smiley_VIP wrote:Seems you are just looking to fanboy Shareaza, the worst program ever IMO.


1 reason why i use shareaza, it connects to both G1+2. Not a fanboy of no P2P client. I like to try new things, change P2P clients here and there. I've Tried many.
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:01 am

tater wrote:do u leave ur bathroom light on all the time 24/7, do u let you car run 24/7... then why tell me u sit and let a p2p run for months trying to get that so called rare file.... bttom line in its out there on the web, it can be gotten somehow , someway.. so to say you can only get rare stuff on emule, are to say i uplaod porn to get points?? might as well say i will also give ur pet treats for points, i will be nioce to ur old lady for points?
with larger capacity, and broadband speeds, you so faithfully whorship a tinkle of a something... u would be a lair if you didnt say if i could get the something that took 3 months in 2 hours you wouldnt do the 2 hours.. no its way past time u be really honest if its on e-maule its also on something else too, just do some creative searching... again i have treid emule
let some tinkle for weeks, thinking this is bs.. and u know what everyt time that something i though i really wanted show up somewhere else and was able to grab it in minutes to hours..so gop ahead and say the same ole thing its worth the wait u can only get it on emule
why we just snicker
havent already long ago got it... too bad u cant really get it???.. snicker


let me provide a simple exmaple for you then. You go and find me a place to download the TV series "Renegade" (Yes I know it's not a very good series, but nostalgia for what you watched growing up doesn't wane). If you can find me a torrent or a newsgroup carrying that right now I will concede you may have a point.

Until then I can inform you it's easily found and downloaded from ed2k.

Then go read my previous post, and learn how to use paragraphs to make your own posts readable.
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Postby tater » Thu May 25, 2006 9:01 am

so i disabled today is a bad day for motor skills, sorry, typos.. i use mosty bit torrent and newsgroups some irc, gave up on ed2k went to the faster methods, and it might take time but i do share 1;1, but lol wont wait 2 months, having uploaded 60 to 1 ratio in that time
when i can seek it, find it, let it run and go back the next day and wow its complted are close, can enjoyu it and seed away till its 1;1 are more. but toi let something hum away for months is plain dumb for anyone for anything..
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:02 am

yaveznodo wrote:My enquirites were based upon my perception of Edonkey having used it for years. I have no doubt that with the Donkey you get way more choice for a hit in performance. All I wondered about was how this could be improved? The good thing is that we all have choice in P2P. :)


You can't unfortunately. It really is simple math. My BT client when I use it have about 5-10 files being seeded. My eMule has 2-300. Since my upload is the same for each client simple math shows why eMule will always be slower.
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:03 am

Oh man, is that the Renegade with Reno Raines? The cheesiest TV show ever made? Oh, I used to watch that religiously. Soooo bad, but sooo good :)
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Postby yaveznodo » Thu May 25, 2006 9:04 am

<------very, very bad at maths. Even simple maths. :)
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Postby Repzak » Thu May 25, 2006 9:04 am

yaveznodo wrote:Oh man, is that the Renegade with Reno Raines? The cheesiest TV show ever made? Oh, I used to watch that religiously. Soooo bad, but sooo good :)


Yep that is the one, and it sounds like you feel the exact same way I do about it :lol: :lol: :lol:
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