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Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:37 pm
by head slapper
Here is some very interesting news describing whats happening in Canada with Bell-Sympatico, The countries largest Internet Provider:

Title: Bell Sympatico P2P Black List
URL: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13883

The Short Version:
If you’re planning to go to Bell-Sympatico, or are already a Bell-Sympatico user, the following applies to you:

1.Bell is throttling: this is admitted in their own forum

2.Bell acknowledges it’s targeting specific programs and it didn’t specify the whole list, but only a partial list which may change as it deems fit, “as required”.

3.Bell stated unlimited accounts will remain so, as long as they’re within the “acceptable range”.

4.No one to date knows what this “acceptable range” is. We have to guess.

5.Bell stated this is in accordance with the “Acceptable Use Policy”.

6.The “Acceptable Use Policy” doesn’t state anything other than being completely open-ended to change at Bell’s discretion as it sees fit to enforce upon you, at any time it wants.

7.None of Bell’s policies tell you’ ‘unlimited’ equals 200-gigs MAX or you’re labelled a ‘Network Abuser’.

8.By Bell’s own statements, it’s suffering from internal network problems and is targeting areas/people where this occurs, within any time frameit deems fit, with no regard to anyone (ie,. ‘creating an unusually large burden on our networks’) .Hence, it’s over-subscribed what it can actually handle.

9.So in other words, you’re at Bell’’s mercy since the areas aren’t defined, time-frame isn’t defined, programs/protocols/ports aren’t defined, B/W limits aren’t defined, what speed you will be dropped to isn’t defined,

10.Bell says only P2P being throttled, however some people are complaining it affects their internet experience as a whole, regardless of P2P.

11.Bell states it’s not limiting the amount a person can download. However, by lowering speed to 512/512 for ‘Network Abusers’, for those on unlimited and throttling the rest of the users during peak times (which aren’t defined), speed is reduced. So how much you can download? Thus, by their own admission, they’re in fact affecting how much you can download, as well as when and how.

12.Bell stated you’re on your own to determine when peak time congestion is, in case you’re wonder why things slow down to 30KB/s.

13.Even if you pay the extra $25/month for unlimited, you will/can get this throttle at any time of the day (to 30-KB/s) they deem fit to impose it and you will be labelled a ‘network Abuser’ if you reach the invisible magic b/w limit.

14.Those who received the VERY vague letters were given no time frame as to when to slow down on the downloads/uploads,

15.Those who received the VERY vague letters were given no b/w limit to stay below,

16.Those who received the VERY vague letters were not told they’d be degraded to a 512/512 profile.

17.All those affected should be allowed to terminate their contracts without penalty fee’s since this is a VERY big change in Bandwidth policy without notice or regard to the customer and with no time-frame and b/w limit given.

18.It has been made public knowledge that Bell is forcing other DSL whole-sellers or re-sellers to get rid of the unlimited login. This is full control over competition.

19.It has been made public knowledge that those cut off from bell DSL for any of the above reasons will be removed from their Dbase and you won’t be able to get service from the other DSL competition going through their network (Bell won’t activate the port/card). This is full control over competition.

20.It hasn’t been confirmed, but the magic invisible limit on unlimited is 200-gigs (explain that one to your kids).

21.If you were sold the promise of unlimited consistently fast internet, you need to call the Bell Executive Office of Customer Relations if you see 30KB/s because Bell reps won’t acknowledge the whole truth to you and will probably tell you the problem is your broken PC or router. You were only sold a broken promise.

22.Be aware of the Black list and what happens if you make this black list.

We all know what’s going to come next, encryption throttling (like Rogers).

Buyer beware.

So much for always "consistantly fast and never shared" as they advertize on TV!

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 1:53 pm
by KingGeorge
I hope they start enjoying the same press treatment Comcast in the states is getting these days. Look forward to a barren network devoid of customers in the future.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:51 pm
by piXelatedEmpire
head slapper wrote:Title: Bell Sympatico P2P Black List
URL: http://www.p2pnet.net/story/13883

The Short Version:
... followed by 22 'points' about the ISP in question ...

I'm glad you only posted the short version :shock:

In future, this would be best submitted as a news article.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:07 pm
by kellypi
bell owns the phone lines. they were the first to cap dsl and i was a sympatico user at the time. since most isps here buy their bandwidth from bell its become impossible to get uncapped dsl now. i remember calling isps at the time and being told that bell had informed them that they had to cap and at what limit or they would lose access. its getting worse, im at a very independant, i thought, isp now, but theyve capped at 20 up and 20 down per month also. if you dont cap trunk lines suddenly start acting up, odd things like that. bell has a monopoly and is in bed with the mpaa, and is enjoying it. remember, they have huge financial interests in the states

i called there recently to file a complaint concerning their tos. finally the manager i was speaking with told me that the mpaa was putting on the pressure and that they had to protect their financial interests in the states, thats why this is happening according to him. and they own the major satellite tv provider, and bonus, they want to buy dishnet, so they really need to keep american feet warm in their bed at this point. they were given a monopoly theyve continuously abused and our government refuses to do a thing, but hey, this is canada. happens all the time

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:10 pm
by head slapper
I would have submitted it as news... But i'm a n00b, so don't know how :/

Feel free to do it for me pls.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:00 pm
by MrFredPFL
head slapper wrote:I would have submitted it as news... But i'm a n00b, so don't know how :/

Feel free to do it for me pls.


welcome to slyck, slapper. you can submit future stories here :)

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:05 pm
by Vampirescu
ive always hated bell, glad i have telus, there twice as costly as shaw at over half the speed and there customers service sucks.....ummm i'm going to call shaw now

Re:

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:33 pm
by head slapper
MrFredPFL wrote:
head slapper wrote:I would have submitted it as news... But i'm a n00b, so don't know how :/

Feel free to do it for me pls.


welcome to slyck, slapper. you can submit future stories here :)


I keep trying and keep seeing "only logged in users can submit news". No matter what I do, I keep seeing the same thing and it refuses.

So as stated before, feel free to subit it on my behalf. ty

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:36 pm
by MrFredPFL
are you sure you were logged in when you tried to submit it?

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:07 am
by head slapper
yes, I was logged in. Proof I was logged in was, posting that I can't post news! Just kept getting the same warning that I had to be logged in.

I'll try again after this post.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:09 am
by head slapper
MrFredPFL wrote:are you sure you were logged in when you tried to submit it?


Just tried submitting news again. I can post in this thread, but get this when I use the link provided above:

"Submit a News Story From the Web
Only logged in users may submit news."

Nothing else shows.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:23 am
by MrFredPFL
ok, sorry about that :( the boss is checking it out, so hopefully it will be fixed soon :)

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:17 am
by Golgo1
Does anyone know if this affects MTS in Manitoba?

I know MTS is not Bell-Sympatico, but for quite a while MTS was partnered with Sympatico, Im not sure where that stands today.
I dont use the MTS DSL (generally Shaw sucks, but cable net is always better than DSL net) I was just thinking, if this doesnt affect MTS at all, then I guess this doesnt directly affect any available service in Manitoba.
No real point there, just an observation.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:01 pm
by HalOfBorg
As to the logged in users/news posting issue - same for me in the past. I just assumed you needed to be a higher level user than I was. :tinfoilhat:

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:33 pm
by head slapper
Someone else already added it to the news, but whom ever did left out a heck of a lot. All they say is sympatico is throttling.

http://www.slyck.com/story1613_Sympatic ... P_Limiting

There is LOTS more going on here that the other person failed to address, see, state and make people aware of...

oh well one-quarter the news is better than no news... We'll blame bush! ;)

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:38 pm
by IceCube
Yeah, there's been a bunch of new users mysteriously linking to the same story all over the forums lately despite the obvious news story already being reported right on Slycks home page.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:13 pm
by MudBone
I live in the US/Colorado where I am using Comcast, several weeks ago I started seeing that my upload cap is set at 0kb/s once download is complete, meaning once a file is done thats it, game over.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:23 pm
by Minithrottled
It's definitely true. Bell Sympatico's Manager of Customer Service told me herself!

Here's what I suggest - call Bell Sympatico's Manager of Customer Service directly and tell her how terrible this whole blacklisting nonsense is.

Her name is Deborah Brannen and her direct line is 613-781-7134.

I suggest spreading that around in order to create some waves of protest for her.

As well, check this little humourous anti-Bell Sympatico piece:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlMbxosLtaY

Cheers.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:39 pm
by TorrentMama
head slapper wrote:
MrFredPFL wrote:are you sure you were logged in when you tried to submit it?


Just tried submitting news again. I can post in this thread, but get this when I use the link provided above:

"Submit a News Story From the Web
Only logged in users may submit news."

Nothing else shows.


I have this problem when I go to slyck.com. It's fixed when I go to http://www.slyck.com

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:16 pm
by craftycorner
The Pirate Bay is working on the problem. So far they've released something called "relakks". It's not free, but what is. :?

Anonymous BitTorrent and Internet Access

The Swedish Pirate Party introduced a completely anonymous internet service called relakks. Relakks makes it possible to browse the web, and use p2p-applications (like BitTorrent) without being monitored by your ISP or anti-piracy gangs like the MPAA and RIAA.


The article is here.

http://torrentfreak.com/about/anonymous ... et-access/

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:15 pm
by Paladwyn
Well, living out here in Saskatchewan, having to deal with the horrid Sasktel company...one redeeming quality is that they don't throttle at all, if I'm not mistaken. Though their services are a bit higher in the more rural areas, the speed is usually quite decent.

I'm glad Sasktel ditched the who Sympatico BS a while back, it's done wonders for them.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:10 am
by Paladwyn
If they change the terms of use, they have to inform their customers. I read this somewhere, where a phone company (or internet) changed their terms on a customer but didn't inform, and the judge said they have to inform, not just post it on their site with a thing saying "Subject to change without notice"

So, Bell can be hit pretty hard if they suddenly impose a bunch of new rules and changes without telling it's customers.

Re: Bell Canada Black listing P2P users!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:37 am
by gob
Paladwyn wrote:Well, living out here in Saskatchewan, having to deal with the horrid Sasktel company...one redeeming quality is that they don't throttle at all, if I'm not mistaken. Though their services are a bit higher in the more rural areas, the speed is usually quite decent.

I'm glad Sasktel ditched the who Sympatico BS a while back, it's done wonders for them.



I'm very happy with Sasktel. I was a former Shaw customer and was getting slow speeds at peak times and hounded for bandwidth usage. I made the switch to Sasktel and am very impressed. I have high speed plus and get 5Mbit down at all time. I use a private torrent site (Torrentleech) so I max out my connection speeds almost always. I have heard good things about Access Communications, but I must say...Sasktel's speeds are consistent with what they advertise, they don't throttle, and actual unlimited downloading. What's wrong with that?

It's not expensive either. I get High Speed Plus and Sasktel HDTV with 5 theme packs for $59 a month.