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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:15 pm

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here you go

media was actually verb. 8x dvdr+ but was able to burn at 12x....sorry just looked at the cake box
btw its hacked firmware on my drive if the numbers look funny :)
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:24 pm

New standings. All hail new hardware king, movieguy. Also, welcome to the site, movieguy - talk about a nice way to make a debut ;).


Media Reliability:

1 - LANjackal - 95.4% - Verbatim 16X DVD+R - MCC-004-00
2 - movieguy - 94.5% - Verbatim 12X DVD+R - MCC-003-00
3 - dannybhoi - 94.3% - Verbatim 16X DVD-R - MCC 03RG20


Drive Reliability:

1 - movieguy - 98.6% - NEC ND-3500AG 2.TD
2 - LANjackal - 98.5% - Plextor PX-716UF 1.08
3 - HouseCrowd - 98.2% - NEC ND-3520A 1.04


Still looking for someone with DL media. Movieguy if you have some, put 'em up. Thanks.

Otherwise, if anyone's planning to buy a burner pretty soon, your choices are pretty much cut out for you^^^.
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:50 pm

btw i was reading some of this and plextor if you didnt know doesnt make their own drives anymore.........NEC makes them now, opened both up both have NEC parts, same quality at a fraction of a price.....not one coaster yet


If i had to rate drives this would be it (quality not price)
1. NEC
2. Plextor
3. LG
4. trust nothing else

Media is as follows
1. Verbatim (no doubt and white tops if you can get em)
2. Fuji made in Japan
3. Ritek or Ridata (personally have not used but all i here is great things so they can have third)
4. now i have to say memerox or how ever its spelled
my two cents
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Postby Lemmy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:04 pm

[img][img]http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/9058/inspectorscreenshot01022006220.th.jpg[/img]


Here you go feel free to take the piss guys, In fairness Ithought It would be way worse than that!!![/img]
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:16 pm

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Now i have the highest drive and media..... who wants to challange

media was memerox 8x DVDr+

LANjackal time for another update
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Postby HouseCrowd » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:16 pm

Here's a test with some cheap crap I once bought ...


Same media as sonic1974's, but in my NEC:

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Incidently, I find that these burn fine, but don't play well in certain DVD players, nor do they copy/read-back well. I also find that dye on cheap media like this has a much paler look to it - perhaps the reason it's a bit sh*te?
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Postby Lemmy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:19 pm

@Housecrowd- You got yourself some blag Taiyo Yudens there or what judging by the code?
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Postby Lemmy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:24 pm

Some more crappy media this time, "mirror" media urggghhh[img][img]http://img271.imageshack.us/img271/4012/inspectorscreenshot1022006224.th.jpg[/img]
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Postby HouseCrowd » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:32 pm

Lemmy wrote:@Housecrowd- You got yourself some blag Taiyo Yudens there or what judging by the code?



I dunno Image. They're crap whatever they are - only useful for temporary/test burns and porn!
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:33 pm

Time for an update
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Postby Mrs. 2p » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:43 pm

HouseCrowd wrote:only useful for temporary/test burns and porn!


not that you would ever need it, right?

great thread there guys! it's given me nice tips for my choice of burner :D
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Postby HouseCrowd » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:46 pm

Mrs. 2p wrote:
HouseCrowd wrote:only useful for temporary/test burns and porn!


not that you would ever need it, right?



Actually, I often need discs for test purposes ;)
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Postby Lemmy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:47 pm

We seem to be morphing into cdfreaks/afterdawn here!!
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:47 pm

movieguy wrote:btw i was reading some of this and plextor if you didnt know doesnt make their own drives anymore.........NEC makes them now


You're partially right. Plextor's lower-end line, e.g. the PX-740, is outsourced. The higher-end drives such as the PX-716 and PX-712 are still made by Plextor themselves. :)
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Postby Dormant707 » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:49 pm

movieguy wrote:btw i was reading some of this and plextor if you didnt know doesnt make their own drives anymore.........NEC makes them now, opened both up both have NEC parts, same quality at a fraction of a price.....not one coaster yet


If i had to rate drives this would be it (quality not price)
1. NEC
2. Plextor
3. LG
4. trust nothing else

Media is as follows
1. Verbatim (no doubt and white tops if you can get em)
2. Fuji made in Japan
3. Ritek or Ridata (personally have not used but all i here is great things so they can have third)
4. now i have to say memerox or how ever its spelled
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:53 pm

All i know is plextor now is not like plextor 5 years ago, in my eyes they have lost a step or two, they use to have a choke hold on drives now their lucky if its a loose grip

Standings:

Media Reliability:

1 - movieguy - 95.5% - Memerox 8x DVD+R - PRODISC-R03-03
2 - LANjackal - 95.4% - Verbatim 16X DVD+R - MCC-004-00
3 - dannybhoi - 94.7% - Verbatim 4X DVD? - MCC-002-00



Drive Reliability:

1 - movieguy - 98.6% - NEC ND-3500AG 2.TD
2 - LANjackal - 98.5% - Plextor PX-716UF 1.08
3 - HouseCrowd - 98.2% - NEC ND-3520A 1.04

Challangers welcome, LANjackal try some more media, show me where your plextor at, my NEC cost me $35 bucks....well worth it
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Postby indecision04 » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:01 pm

What do the numbers mean before the name of the dvd player (like 1:0:0 or 1:1:0)?
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:05 pm

im guessing the first is the first optical drive you have on your system by the letter in windows, 2nd is the way its in the computer 0 for master 1 for slave 3rd not sure?

just my guess
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:07 pm

movieguy wrote:All i know is plextor now is not like plextor 5 years ago, in my eyes they have lost a step or two, they use to have a choke hold on drives now their lucky if its a loose grip


That's true. Plextor is facing the same problem that forced Porsche to introduce the Boxster some years back: they're pricing themselves out of the market. I'm a Plex' fan, but clearly as seen from this thread there's increasingly less of a performance reason to be so (with the exception that I need an external drive since I have a laptop).

Disc writing technology is rapidly becoming a commodity item. I believe this is why Plextor has outsourced its lower end drives to NEC, while reserving the higher end for people who still want the "BMW" experience. Smart consumers are generally becoming less willing to pay for what the Plextor brand stands for (see yourself and Lord Foul).

Speaking of which, I haven't heard any announcement from Plextor regarding HD-DVD or Blu-Ray - although Plextor has always been one to perfect the art before jumping into the market, an approach I've always appreciated and one that has made their products worth waiting for in some cases.

However, NEC has made quite a few next-gen announcements (I believe they're in the HD-DVD camp), and they recently merged their optical drive business with Sony's (thus allowing them to manufacture both kinds of drives). I wouldn't be surprised if NEC acquired Plextor - it wouldn't be that hard (NEC has FAR more revenue) and it would leave NEC as the undisputed king of optical discs at all levels of the market.

At that point, even the mighty MS execs might gulp when an NEC guy walks into the boardroom.
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:17 pm

I had a plextor CD burner, believe it was 12x...it was about 6 years ago...all i can say is quality. From there products that I have seen lately, I havent noticed anything outstanding about them, so the question is

is plextor getting worse or are other companies getting better?

and

is it really cost effective to go with them when you get the same quality for more than 2x less?
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:21 pm

movieguy wrote:Challangers welcome, LANjackal try some more media, show me where your plextor at, my NEC cost me $35 bucks....well worth it


All I have is Verbatim 16X DVD+Rs as posted originally. I'm interested to see that your Memorexes are more reliable - although I caveat I know of is that brands such as Memorex actually buy their media from OEMs, which may change as business demands dictate. Thus, the quality is less than uniform :?

The reason I stick with Verbatim is that they actually make and test the media they sell (Verbatim is an arm of Mitsubishi Chemicals).

I have an incoming shipment of Verbatim 2.4X DVD+R DL discs (10-disc spindle, $29) from Buy.com that seems to be taking the long route to my place :(. I'll test and post as soon as it gets here.

As for my Plextor, I think it cost me either $200 or $300 at purchase. It was a brand new product (the most capable burner at the time, hence the numerous awards it got) and Best Buy apparently hijacked the first shipment (I couldn't find one anywhere else, period). Thus the price. But hey - 0 coasters in over a year, no tears shed.
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Postby movieguy » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:30 pm

had my NEC since Nov 2004 no coasters

and maybe you should of bought this media instead....oh poo

next time shop newegg thats the only place to be

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817131163
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Postby LANjackal » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:40 pm

movieguy wrote:had my NEC since Nov 2004 no coasters

and maybe you should of bought this media instead....oh poo

next time shop newegg thats the only place to be

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817131163


*Checks Gmail for order confirmation email in horror* That was a scare. No problem I ordered the 6X media. The thing is that Verbatim rates it as 2.4X - 6X, and so I'd only quoted the lower-end speed. *Phew*

I'm one of those hardcore people who really beats themselves up if I order the wrong product. Phew that was close :D.

By the way you forgot to add shipping to that quote. Buy.com shipped mine for free - which means that I'm winning the price war ;). I'm not loyal to any particular retailer, just the best BottomLine price Pricegrabber can pull down vs. whatever Best Buy/Wal-Mart/Target/Radio Shack have here.

I really hate not having a CompUSA in my new hometown :(. The Best Buy people have no idea about what they're selling - the most clueless f*cks I come across, every time.

And regarding your question about Plextor's often outrageous prices - I wanted a Firewire (I swear by that standard) external drive built so by the manufacturer (not a kit I had to assemble myself). Combined with the featureset I was looking for, the Plextor was the only (albeit costly) option. I'd budgeted for it, so I swiped the plastic at the register and that was it.

By the way... is there an equivalent of Plextools for NEC drives? I love that Plextor feature.

Where is Lord Foul? He was supposed to be posting some grand results, but he disappeared. :?

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