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Fast Track back up to 4,000,000 users? Has to be fake....

Postby Chewyfood » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:16 am

Fast Track back up to 4,000,000 users? Has to be fake....

The last 4 or 5 months they have been hard pressed to get back up above 3,000,000...
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Postby IceCube » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:59 am

I think this is a repeat of what happened with the ED2K stats I'd imagine. Besides, I don't think you can count the slyck stats as an accurate measuring stick half the time anyway.
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Accurate.

Postby SickTom » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:10 am

IceCube wrote:I think this is a repeat of what happened with the ED2K stats I'd imagine. Besides, I don't think you can count the slyck stats as an accurate measuring stick half the time anyway.


According to Slyck its figure are accurate.

If you take the population of every major P2P and file-sharing network, such as FastTrack, Gnutella, eDonkey2000, OpenFT, etc., and combine their totals, you have a number similar to what BigChampagne puts out every month. BigChamagne has tracked this total for the last three years, with some very interesting results.
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=991

Could it be that most Kazaa user don't read Zeropaid or Slyck and are HAPPY with Kazaa.

Perhaps they have more than one brain cell and use COMMON SENSE to avoid FAKES.

You never know, P2P users have been known to think.

Unlikely, I know but it would make a very straight forward explanation for the increase in Kazaa figures!
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Postby SlyckTom » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:21 am

I would say the numbers are probably accurate. Kazaa probably works adequately enough for a good chunk of people.
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Postby Cybergenetic » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:30 am

I just don't see what people can get out of it..
It has no comparrison to the large networks, ie Bittorrent, eD2k and Gnutella.

Though, it does seem to be in the same club as Ares, ie only being able to provide 'popular' music, and some 'fast' speed.

Other than that, I don't see how anyone could find the Fastrack network resourceful.

In theory, it could of been another eD2k, ie 'content'. But, even with more users than eD2k, it still hasn't even a comparrison with Gnutella, in content.

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Postby SlyckTom » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:34 am

A lot of people just like top 40 music and that's it. For them, FastTrack probably serves its purpose I would imagine...
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Postby Repzak » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:43 am

I agree, but that would not explain a sharp increase in users. That it would satisfy a lot of people, I can buy - but that so many new people would start using it? No, I don't think so.

My money is on fake users with fake files as well to explain the increase.
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Postby SlyckTom » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:59 am

The only reason why I am not so easily swayed to believe the numbers are fake is because I have no evidence to suggest that. The evidence points to more users, not fake indexing servers.
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Postby Cybergenetic » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:02 pm

Yes, and no.

I remeber the first P2P I tried, and it was Fatrack.
They could be a influx of n00b's just like I was, that have started to try out P2P. Indeed, Fastrack.
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Postby LaX » Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:59 am

Cybergenetic wrote:Though, it does seem to be in the same club as Ares, ie only being able to provide 'popular' music, and some 'fast' speed.


But ares has a nice hashing system and has a lot less fakes. It is also not filled with **AA bots.
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Postby Muintir na h'Eireann » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:30 am

It could be like the last days of the original Napster or Audiogalaxy, before they had to modify their operation in response to RIAA threats.
In both cases there was a surge of users when it became known they were closing.
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Postby Allied » Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:17 pm

I believe the number is real.
I wouldn't be surproised if Sharman did send some fake stats to KAzaa users. But KCeasy's showing me 4,281,017 users. giFT spits out some bad stats, but I don't think it could be fooled by some spoofing supernode.
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Postby gummbah » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:00 pm

Don't forget that kazaa is really just similar to downloading music to lots of people. Its a brand, a logo. The majority of people dont know anything about other p2p programms. They even dont know they exist. Kazaa is the coca cola and the nike of music downloading. Don't expect people to switch to other brands that easily.
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Postby Fowler » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:42 pm

I have no idea as to why the numbers have increased so quickly, as last time I saw the numbers were just 2.5m. However, klitetools is showing over 4m, so I guess its for real.

How could an almost 100% increase occur so quickly?
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Postby thejynxed » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:34 pm

LaX wrote:
Cybergenetic wrote:Though, it does seem to be in the same club as Ares, ie only being able to provide 'popular' music, and some 'fast' speed.


But ares has a nice hashing system and has a lot less fakes. It is also not filled with **AA bots.


Actually, it is quite full of RIAA bots, namely BayTSP and MediaSentry bots.
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Postby Cybergenetic » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:37 pm

Is it 'K-Lite', who came out from the sickening depths of the Spyware/Adware infested swamp of the client?. If so, they've proved that the 'K' in Kazaa isn't all bad, considering the Codecs pack is great, and the Klitetools website, has provided a resourceful download.com to 'freeware'.
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Postby tomy » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:54 pm

Ill quote some guy in some forums talking about this:
I dont know why everyone gets so upset about Kazaa. It is great, yes there are alot of fake files and viruses, but you have to be a complete idiot. By idiot, I mean downloading a song that is shared 11202093 times by the same user, and then there are the idiots that download exe files that are 2kb big... Who uses 2kb big exe files that arent keygens? And there is no spyware the right kazaa lite release. So just dont be a complete imbecile and Kazaa works for you!

Interesting, dont you think?
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Postby Cybergenetic » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:15 pm

tomy wrote:Interesting, dont you think?


Hardly...

It only provides 'popular' music and some 'good' speeds.

To even use the network, a user must be ignorant to either what's 'out there', or indeed, only listen's to chart music, and not use latest software, latest films, or 'unpopular' music.
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LOL

Postby SickTom » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:45 pm

Cybergenetic wrote:
tomy wrote:Interesting, dont you think?


Hardly...

It only provides 'popular' music and some 'good' speeds.

To even use the network, a user must be ignorant to either what's 'out there', or indeed, only listen's to chart music, and not use latest software, latest films, or 'unpopular' music.


LOL so your saying majority of P2P users are ignorant.

Erm, what about market forces?
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Re: LOL

Postby Cybergenetic » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:01 pm

SickTom wrote:LOL so your saying majority of P2P users are ignorant.


The majority, if not all, of BitTorrent, DirectConnect, eD2k, Gnutella and Soulseek don't just listen to 'popular' music. Obviously. Therefore, they aren't ignorant, no.

SickTom, I suggets you stick with Fastrack. And listening to 'popular' music, as well :roll:.
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This morning I saw the number of users on kazaa drop

Postby earlymusic1925 » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:18 pm

The number of users on kazaa this morning went from 3,700,000 to 2,200,000 in a second. I wonder what happened.
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Postby Akel » Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:33 pm

Could it be due to the shutdown of p2p on that Internet2 Network or whatever it was called. That thing that college users used?
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Postby Fartingbob » Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:05 pm

People who were used to getting DVD's in minutes using the internet2 network thing in america arent going to flood to fasttrack. bloated, slow and the biggest well sourced file your going to see on there is 700mb cams.
I put it down to kazaa being in the news. Bad publicity, but for file sharing beginners, its the only place they've heard of. i suspect a sudden spike of people checking it out, most will hardly ever use it, or switch to other networks in time.
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Postby HEAT84 » Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:41 am

The user count doubling is alot more than a spike. Now its down to 1.6 million users. It hasn't been that low in a really long time.
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Postby IceCube » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:40 am

Yeah, kind of strange how the network spikes like that. I think that ED2K was starting to spike like that, but the numbers dropped again because the Sonny Boys servers, etc were inflating the user count.
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