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WinMX, how safe is it???????

Postby rekcah » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:18 pm

how safe is winmx?
does it also try to protect you from the RIAA?
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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:26 pm

Winmx offers no protection at all. Its not anymore safe than any other network. I have not heard of anyone actually getting a letter from using WinMX. I know I never have. I got one for using bittorrent even though I rarely use it. After 3 years of winmx nothing, but I mostly download and share movies.
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Postby rekcah » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:29 pm

so even though WinMX has no extra protection it is still safe? (no one has got a letter)
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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:34 pm

I don't know that anyone has got one or not. I'm saying its possible to get caught but its more likely you will win the lotto.
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Postby iNaNimAtE » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:08 pm

rekcah wrote:so even though WinMX has no extra protection it is still safe? (no one has got a letter)

It is safer. No common P2P network is "safe," however because it isn't currently getting monitored by the RIAA that much, it is no breeding ground...
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Postby RedCell989 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:58 am

Sorry to go off topic but what did u get in trouble for downloading on bitorrent? I download programs and movies only..
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Postby DaBlade » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:59 am

It's a whole lot safer than larger networks like BitTorrent or ed2k. Although it offers no protection, none is needed. It's a relatively large network, but not large enough to be looked at by the RIAA. 6 million weekly users are a lot less than FakeTrack and eD2K's 2 million daily.
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Postby Mr. Alzheimer » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:20 am

I remember reading in a news article here on Slyck.com that at least one WinMX user (perhaps more than one, I don't remember) in Europe has been sued for sharing copyrighted music. In America, I believe it to be pretty safe still.

RedCell989 wrote:Sorry to go off topic but what did u get in trouble for downloading on bitorrent? I download programs and movies only..


Off topic, indeed. I believe every BT user cought so far has been downloading/uploading Hollywood movies. Also, quite recently, a Slyck.com user posted telling he got a letter for downloading the Simpsons.
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Postby pyroraptor » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:48 pm

The solution is to not share copyrighted material. If you're not breaking the law, the RIAA can't touch you.
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Postby RedCell989 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:58 pm

Ok, so I have heard (at least for americans) that the RIAA and other copyrights groups target people sharing copyright material only, but now I see you say that downloaders are also targeted. Sorry to keep pounding the questions but i'm just trying to get a feel for what gets me into trouble and what doesn't. or at least which is more likely.
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Postby DaBlade » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:43 pm

Here's what gets you in trouble:
Using the following networks: eD2K, BitTorrent, FakeTrack.
Sharing the latest top 40 crap
Sharing the latest hollywood crap
Sharing m$ crapware
Note, the last three only apply for the first.
Oh, and you can use PeerGuardian. It's almost reached version 2.0 final.
And the only thing that's happened to the WPN are threats from the BPI (British Phonographic Industry), so I'd say you're pretty safe. If you wanna use MX to download movies, I suggest joining a group like MLP.
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Postby -KM- » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:20 pm

And the only thing that's happened to the WPN are threats from the BPI (British Phonographic Industry)


am I the only one that has to re-read their name every single time?

really with p2p its pretty hard for them to do much, people worry about them finding your IP or something which is rubbish, the IP just says your ISP... in order to do something against you what they need is some kind of proof before they can even find out who you are, the biggest problem they have is that they need to find proof without breaking the law themselves, which means they cant download the files from you and they cant share the files...

yes its possible for them to do something, but in practice its a lot of effort for them, plus they cant try and sue too many people or governments would be forced to change the laws...

I'm saying its possible to get caught but its more likely you will win the lotto.


I would agree there, far more people have probably downloaded something illegal than have played the lottery and less have been sueued than have won the lottery...
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Postby iNaNimAtE » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:39 pm

-KM- wrote:am I the only one that has to re-read their name every single time?

I am with you on that one =). Who knows--maybe they run a side business?

RedCell989 wrote:Ok, so I have heard (at least for americans) that the RIAA and other copyrights groups target people sharing copyright material only, but now I see you say that downloaders are also targeted.

They only sue you for things worth suing. They can not sue you for material which they do not own, therefore sharing material they don't own (id est, public domain or redistributable content) is completely safe.
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Postby rekcah » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:20 pm

so if a WinMX user is only downloading music and uploading music it is pretty safe?
is it safer to not upload music?
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Postby JaKo30 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:29 pm

basically just be p2p "savvy" . Dont share something in mass quantities that you know in your gut or something that provokes reasonable doubt that may put you at risk. There are people who excel in certain jobs/ professions they have. Use the same mindset for p2p. No gaurantees, but try your best judgement to use the less RIAA targeted programs (Kazaa, Limewire); share... but NOT 1000 mps of Britney, X-Tina, Nelly etc.. (get the point). Very simple..check the RIAA radar and see whats owned by them or someone connected to them. Again, not saying that's a gaurantee, but those are my 2 cents worth :)
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Postby iNaNimAtE » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:44 pm

rekcah wrote:so if a WinMX user is only downloading music and uploading music it is pretty safe?
is it safer to not upload music?


As long as the music isn't copyrighted. Yes, it is a lot safer to not upload, but do not do it. (Most people here will look down on you.)

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Postby Homgran » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:27 am

-KM- wrote:the biggest problem they have is that they need to find proof without breaking the law themselves, which means they cant download the files from you and they cant share the files...


Of course, it's illegal for Paramount/Fox/whatever to share their own movies on a p2p network... :roll:

Theoretically, it's possible to be sued for uploading or downloading copyrighted material from any network. While many would correctly state that some networks are safer than others, the fact remains that if you want to be completely safe you should only download and/or share files which are public domain.
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Postby InfectiousDust » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:02 pm

-KM- wrote:
And the only thing that's happened to the WPN are threats from the BPI (British Phonographic Industry)


am I the only one that has to re-read their name every single time?



Wow, that's great! :lol: I definately read that title wrong. If you hadn't have brought it up, I would have still thought it was 'Pornographic'!
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Postby no_dammagE » Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:08 pm

listing unsafe applications/networks would become too long. So here a small list of SECURE networks:

Freenet (+ its clients as Frost) http://www.freenetproject.org / Entropy http://entropy.stop1984.com/
Mute http://mute-net.sf.net
Ants http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/
GnuNET http://www.ovmj.org/GNUnet/ (unix + cygwin, if you want to compile yourself, C++)

I'm not aware of any other secure networks which actually work.

ALL OTHERS ARE UNSECURE, it doesn't matter what scam ads claim or what others say. They are unsecure because they are second generation p2p applications

If an another working 3rd generation p2p application will be found, I'll post here in the forums.

*lol* don't forget es5 - the most secure application ever (it was a joke, don't use it) *lol*
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