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Postby Boondock Saint » Fri Nov 05, 2004 3:19 am

Let's say you want to share files with a specific friend. How would you go about saving a friend within your "Hotlist"?
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Postby DaBlade » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:16 am

The easiest way is to find a chat room you both can go to, enter it, click on each others name and add to hotlist. However, this is only temporary. Once you turn off MX, the hotlist will be cleared.
If you want a permanent hotlist, you gotta go the OpenNap way. You gotta enter a private OpenNap network where you can add each other. You must be connected to the network to stay in touch, and even if u turn of MX, the friend will still be there.
I usually hang out at a ON network called Movie Lovers Paradise (Site under reconstruction)
You must sign up, preferably in the forums to get access, and then ask in the MXChat room to get added as a OpenNap member. So must your friend.
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Postby tm, » Fri Nov 05, 2004 4:52 am

I think I read that a permanent friends list and private sharing were supposed to be some of the many new features on WinMX 4.0 - but since 4.0's future seems to be in doubt, maybe those v.4 features will get added to v.3.
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Postby raar » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:48 am

tm wrote:I think I read that a permanent friends list and private sharing were supposed to be some of the many new features on WinMX 4.0 - but since 4.0's future seems to be in doubt, maybe those v.4 features will get added to v.3.


TM, yes, this would be an excellent new feature, being able to save everyone or anyone as a hotlist fav.

Yes, DaBlade is correct. You can only save on hotlist with the open nap servers. Those on the peer network will be temporary, while you are on, at the time of saving. Once you exit, they will be gone (with or withoug using the chat).

Another way a friend of mine allows others to find him is by having us search for a very rare song he has, and he always shows up. If they're online, you can join a chat or send messages and share with each other.
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Postby tm, » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:16 pm

By far the most 'friends' features I have yet seen is on Filetopia. If you like to keep in touch with certain people, and/or share files privately, I have not seen any other P2P that even comes close to the features in Filetopia, which has featured of email, chat, private rooms, bulletin boards, private message, and FTP functions. Even give your friends server access. Only drawback for downloaders is that there are few users.
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Postby Unbiased_Opinion » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:23 pm

I am pretty sure you can't add a user to your hotlist (permanently) since Winmx is decentralized. You can add users to you your hotlist (permanently) if you are on opennaps but that is based on central servers. You can add users to your list on ed2k but you are connected to a central server.

I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure you can't add anyone to a permanent list unless you are somewhat centralized.
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Postby DaBlade » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:02 pm

There is a way...although it may result in errors..
Like you have your nick. Your nick has a code attached to it that isn't changable. It's based on the hardware your computer has, software, WinMX version etc...like a hash.
That way, every computer could have it's own private ID, that dosn't change even if the nick changes. Example:
Nickname123456789ABSC(just an example) changes his name to Namenick. It still stays Namenick123456789ABSC.


..or was the above a bad idea in some form?
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Postby bmh67wa » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:06 am

Self removal of post as it seems to have nothing to do with the topic and the arguments that can ensue will be of little or no benefit to the poster that started this thread.
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Postby DaBlade » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:12 am

It is centralized. It has a central server taking care of connecting the clients, doing the searches, hosting the chat rooms etc... IT IS CENTRALIZED!
But, it has that advantage that you don't have to be connected while transferring. Only when searching and connecting the transfer.
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Postby Unbiased_Opinion » Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:16 am

Well duh you can stil transfer the file once the connection has been established. Take Soulseek for example, it is centralized, if the server shuts down, any transfers that were already established will continue. If you ran your own server, it WOULD be centralized. Please get your facts straight before you start shouting at me again. :wink:
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Postby Mr. Alzheimer » Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:26 am

Frontcode Technologies wrote:WinMX v3.55 BETA
This version includes a very important upgrade to the core WPNP primary connection protocol, and several key upgrades in the Search and Browse windows. With the protocol upgrade it is hoped search coverage will be near-100%, which will translate into vastly-improved search results, especially for rare files. The protocol upgrade is also a preliminary step toward a persistent hotlist (which will be in an upcoming test.)


Seems like a hotlist for the WinMX network is coming. Might take some time, though...
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Postby tm, » Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:32 pm

Centralized!

Not Centralided!

It is too!

It is not!

I hate these arguments over the exact meaning of a single word.

How about we just stick to describing the network and drop the labels entirely?
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Postby Unbiased_Opinion » Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:11 pm

How would talking about the network (which I did, until somebody thought he was being smart, when he doesn't actually know squat) help this person about the hotlist question? :lol:
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Postby tm, » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:12 pm

Unbiased_Opinion wrote:How would talking about the network ... help this person about the hotlist question? :lol:

The network's degree of centralization is an important aspect for the persistence and dominance of hotlist identities. I mentioned Filetopia, since it is essentially a fully-centralized (in my definition) P2P network and you can keep track of friends at all times, and even leave messages when they are offline which they will get as soon as they log in.

In any sort of randomized supernode/leaf network such as WinMX, it becomes a lot harder for a user to have the ability know the online status and location of a friend. WinMX does use a single server as a network gateway, which could easily have kept track of every user's IP address and online status; however it was never designed to perform that function. Perhaps v.4 will.

What you can do is to share a file named with your username so anyone can search for your username as a file search to find you. Since WinMX does not do 100% full network searches, you might need to reconnect and search again to ensure that you locate someone. Most WinMX regulars tend to hang out in one or 2 chatrooms, so that's usually going to be the best way to locate someone.
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Postby Unbiased_Opinion » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:24 pm

OK. Sorry btw, reading back and seeing I wrote this "(which I did, until somebody thought he was being smart, when he doesn't actually know squat)". It was not directed towards you as it could have been taken that way.
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Postby Boondock Saint » Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:00 pm

Thank you very much for your replies, I only had enough time to quickly scan through them, but I will be sure to thoroughly read through everything.

Once more, I appreciate every post.
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