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WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Dazzle » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:31 pm

Its a few days out of date but this was on one of the local news sites.

http://starbulletin.com/2007/01/31/news/story12.html

An assistant referee for a boys soccer league pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court to a child pornography charge filed as part of an international Homeland Security Internet undercover investigation.


Aside from somehow making some mistake over a live video feature that winmx does not in fact have, the rest of the story is correct and many users are pleased that the authorities acted on the information that was supplied to them from within the winmx community.
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Postby notbob » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:38 pm

seems a bit ironic for people doing illegal stuff to turn in a fellow user doing something illegal, don't you think?
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Postby cacahead » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:01 pm

There's crimes against the industry and there's crimes against humanity.
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Postby Dazzle » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:11 am

Chatting has never been illegal in the US or anywhere else to my knowledge.

File sharing is not illegal as I,m sure your aware, it becomes something actionable only when the content is not yours to share.

Trading and possesing child porn is another matter entirely and there has always been a clear distinction between the two activities.
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Postby notbob » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:30 pm

justify it to yourself however you want.
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Postby cacahead » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:51 pm

In that school of logic, speeding is equivalent to file sharing is equivalent to child molestation and I guess you could say is equivalent to murder? Its all illegal so its all the same?

I hope your not one of my neighbors.

Now to make it interesting, a better point will be to make issue with this scumbags sentencing from our criminal system. If they treat him like some of the big time file sharers that we have seen getting pinched, it would mean the operators of the criminal system subscribe to your school of logic.

Although I couldn't disagree with you more notbob, you made me wonder about the outcome of this case in comparison with others that I hold to a far lesser degree of severity.
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Postby cacahead » Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:54 pm

And you have me visiting the WinMx forum which is something I haven't done in many years. For that I hate you. :evil:
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Postby Dazzle » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:20 am

If you come across unsavoury images of children or come in contact with those trading them this is the place to contact.

http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/

There is no shame in protecting children Notbob.
Perhaps you have reasons of your own for not wishing to help stop this sickening trade that prays on the defenceless.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby HalOfBorg » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:39 am

Dazzle wrote:Aside from somehow making some mistake over a live video feature that winmx does not in fact have,


Maybe they were posting links. A LOT of rooms have links in the MOTD and auto-messages.
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Postby Dazzle » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:48 am

Possibly Half, I mentioned it because some folks came asking why they had not been able to find the winmx version with this feature.

As with most of the other p2p clients you can use the default media player to sample the download and that could also have created the false impression of live streaming.

I suspect your idea of live web links is more likely correct though.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby senseispab » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:01 am

Sounds like a storm in a teacup.

Win Mx/emule are full of dubious shiz,
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Dazzle_2 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:49 pm

Lets be honest here Senseispab, there is not a single network that does not have such people utilising it for their vile trade, selecting the WinMX or Emule networks to point the finger at is dubious activity to say the least, its heartening to know however both of those networks are not under the control of the anti-filesharing brigade and are thus likley to be targets of such disinformation campaigns.

What I find interesting is given the time and effort put into catching filesharers its mighty strange the RIAA hired goons never report any of these types of file sharers to the police, is this because there is no profit in such an act ?
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby MrFredPFL » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:00 pm

with all due respect, how would you know if they HAD reported anything to the police? i'm not saying i have reason to think they have - but i wonder how you can categorically state that they haven't.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby ntscuser » Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:05 pm

Dazzle_2 wrote:What I find interesting is given the time and effort put into catching filesharers its mighty strange the RIAA hired goons never report any of these types of file sharers to the police, is this because there is no profit in such an act ?
I've long suspected it is they who put it there in order to discredit filesharing in the eyes of the wider public.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Dazzle_2 » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:38 pm

I cant state I looked through the media defender mails Mr Fred but from a friend who did I was informed aside from the police effort which was revealed in phone call (also made public) no such activity is the norm and thus I state accordingly.

I,m sure if there where so many good samaritans at such organisations they would at some stage perhaps be publicly thanked for their efforts, I have never seen any such public notice, maybe you have ?
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby MrFredPFL » Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:51 pm

no, i haven't. i am, however, aware that not only is it not common policy for a law enforcement agency to reveal the source of all of their tips (they only tend to do so when the tip itself is the only thing they have to use to get a warrant, and even then they try to protect anonymity when possible) - but i think most of the good samaritans don't want the publicity. they want the child porn dealt with, they don't want their name in lights.

and what is revealed in the emails of media defender is by no means an authoritative indication of the attitudes of every person employed by all these companies. they are still, after all, people like you and me - they have families and children too. i think it's a safe bet that whatever their opinion of filesharing is, most of them also feel pretty strongly about child porn.

we hear about child porn busts on a regular basis. i don't recall anyone ever listing all the sources of info they used in their investigations - and it's just as well. if a person calls the police (or whomever) and says "there's a person sharing child porn online" - the police themselves (or, again, whomever) can then follow up on it themselves. at this point, there is zero need to identify the source of the original tip, and many good reasons to NOT identify it.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby multivariable » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:05 pm

So, was this guy convicted?

I wonder if he was sentenced to more than 20 months. If not, he's out now. :wink:
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby MrFredPFL » Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:28 pm

:lol:

unless the judge refused to accept his guilty plea, yes, he was convicted ;)
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Postby rsrikanth05 » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:08 am

notbob wrote:seems a bit ironic for people doing illegal stuff to turn in a fellow user doing something illegal, don't you think?


You could say so..
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby HalOfBorg » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:20 pm

Even among the worst of thieves there are rankings - levels. And guess who is at the bottom?

Esp in prison. Most people in there were abused and/or have kids of their own.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Artie » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:33 pm

I wonder if anybody else noticed this thread is almost 2 years old.

I only originally got suspicious after I saw notbob posting.
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Paladwyn » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:53 pm

Hah...ya, indeed! forshame senseispab!!! :P
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby multivariable » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:25 pm

Artie wrote:I wonder if anybody else noticed this thread is almost 2 years old.

I only originally got suspicious after I saw notbob posting.


multivariable wrote:So, was this guy convicted?

I wonder if he was sentenced to more than 20 months. If not, he's out now. :wink:

Nope, never noticed at all. :wink: :P
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Re: WinMx Chat Room Pedo Pleads Guilty

Postby Dazzle_2 » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:14 pm

Being as I started the thread all that time ago I was very aware of how old it was but I also felt nothing had changed to warrant Senseispabs sudden and implication laden addition, I can name half a dozen bigger networks than WinMx where foul files can be quickly located and regardless of what NotBob feels about the matter if folks are sick of child abuse I,m all for them taking action to help halt it, I can see no parallel in molesting or raping a child and sharing a copyrighted file, one is a vile inhuman criminal offence and the other is a minor civil offence and thats only if only if the copyright owner complains.

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