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Postby takeda » Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:12 am

xxxsidxxx wrote:man, some people like to fantasize tooooo much!!!!!!!!

first of all, he is not selling it...ok...

its listed as the WHOLE site, because he wants to see what its worth...nothing more than that...

he is not going to sell it...the mpaa is not going to buy it, the green aliens are not going to split the database and fart on it...george bush is not gong to marry it...and the green baboon up yer butt is not going to get out...

end of story...

oh, nice article :)...


You don't need to be genius to realize that if somebody is interested in knowing how much his site is worth then he thinks about selling it. The problem is is to figure out how much money will make Lowkee sell it.
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Postby eclectica » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:31 am

I don't think there is much of a risk of getting turned in to the MPAA. But what I think could or has happened, is that the site ownership will change or has already changed and no one will even know it because everything will stay the same.
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Postby takeda » Sat Jan 29, 2005 4:27 pm

Probably his lawyer that he hired using money from donation recommended him to figure out how much the site is worth and sell it to somebody instead trying to fight with MPAA. Maybe he will help him to prepare paperwork for that transaction =)
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Postby cheesefeat » Sat Jan 29, 2005 5:05 pm

A couple of points that might be worth noting.

1) Registration at a site does not imply that you have actually up or downloaded any files .

2) What would the likelihood be that by the time any judgement was issued anyone would still have files sitting on their hard drive ?

3) Can you imagine the look on a judge's face when the MPAA lawyer asks to issue over 700,000 writs ?

4) More people are thinking about the effect that this case will have on themselves and their ability to download files for free than any consequences that will befall the person who , with the financial help of the donors to lokitorrent.com , is prepared to fight for what he believes in , and whatever you think his motives are , it is he who is being sued , not you or the person who has just upped the file that you are downloading
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Postby red duck » Sun Jan 30, 2005 1:48 am

just a point that might be worth nothing

it is he who is being sued , not you or the person who has just upped the file that you are downloading


how do you know that he is sued?
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Postby cheesefeat » Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:12 am

The legal papers are posted on the site , that is how we know he is being sued
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Postby red duck » Sun Jan 30, 2005 4:43 am

it is not that difficult to make fake image of that kind......

don't get me wrong i'm not saying that lowkee is hiding the truth, all i'm saying is that he might be doing it.
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Postby nohead » Sun Jan 30, 2005 10:00 am

Slyck.com: Can you give us any idea how long the lawsuit will last (providing you have already acquired council.) What are the prospects for victory?

Lowkee: The lawsuit will likely last up to a year or more if the MPAA does not withdraw the suit. Prospects of quashing the MPAA suit will be quite good as long as the Grokster ruling is upheld in the Supreme Court.


If he can make some money out of the domain name or whatever, do it fast. He'll need every penny that he can get for approx. one year of lawsuit fee...
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Postby guiltyj » Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:09 am

Dudes, all I know is that since Youceff closed, I would be inclinded to get all my shit from loki, and it works well and nicely. If he sells out, that's his choice, and I don't care what his motivations are- I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Keep perspective- we are lucky to have Lokitorrents, and even if he shuts down NOW, I still was happy to have enjoyed loki's torrents for as long as I did.

After his candid interview, I'm inclined to donate to his fund (even if he has lied about everything and runs off to the Bahamas! He deserves it if you ask me; how many of you suspicious motherfuckas run a huge-ass monster torrent site? Thought so... now STFU)

Tom, great article, but you misspelled "counsel"
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Postby takeda » Mon Jan 31, 2005 2:26 pm

guiltyj wrote:Dudes, all I know is that since Youceff closed, I get all my shit from loki, and it works well and nicely. If he sells out, that's his choice, and I don't care what his motivations are- I don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

Keep perspective- we are lucky to have Lokitorrents, and even if he shuts down NOW, I still was happy to have enjoyed loki's torrents for as long as I did.

After his candid interview, I'm inclined to donate to his fund (even if he has lied about everything and runs off to the Bahamas! He deserves it if you ask me;


I also think he deserves those money, the problem is how secure is data stored in lokitorrents, i.e. phpBB forum stores every IP of every person that is posting there. It's really bad for some people (i.e. those who admited on the forum that they downloaded something) if that stuff would get into wrong hands. What about web server logs (i.e. showing who and when downloaded torrent files), or logs of people who uploaded new torrents?

how many of you suspicious motherfuckas run a huge-ass monster torrent site? Thought so... now STFU)


This site got popular after it declared that will fight MPAA (I never heard about it before that).
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Postby guiltyj » Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:02 am

[quote="takeda
I also think he deserves those money, the problem is how secure is data stored in lokitorrents, i.e. phpBB forum stores every IP of every person that is posting there. It's really bad for some people (i.e. those who admited on the forum that they downloaded something) if that stuff would get into wrong hands. What about web server logs (i.e. showing who and when downloaded torrent files), or logs of people who uploaded new torrents?[/quote]

Hey, nobody made you do it. This is the internet- you want it free, but you also want it safe? Please; I thought all the bitches were on the side of the RI/MP-AA.

Hopefully lowkee can be trusted to not sell out such incrimidating information, but he's not responsible for anyone going to his site. Loki's just doing what he do, and I for one am glad he does it. I don't think anyone consulted w/ lowkee before they decided to trespass on a copyright...

Who's to say lowkee isn't an agent of the MPAA/RIAA, logging every IP for a future lawsuit? Or that they'll buy his site for the IPs? Or that they'll hire a hacker to crack his logs to get the IPs? Or hire script bitches to DDoS his site?
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Postby takeda » Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:49 pm

guiltyj wrote:Hey, nobody made you do it. This is the internet- you want it free, but you also want it safe? Please; I thought all the bitches were on the side of the RI/MP-AA.


I never used lokitorrent, in fact I didn't even registered on their site to view papres from MPAA (as far as I remember, you needed to be logged in to view them). Anyway, if you view my comments to the on slyck news about that LokiTorrent, I was on the side of Loki. But last move of Lowkee is really suspicious to me. Of course he can sell his website, it's his, but he shouldn't sell his users.

Hopefully lowkee can be trusted to not sell out such incrimidating information, but he's not responsible for anyone going to his site. Loki's just doing what he do, and I for one am glad he does it. I don't think anyone consulted w/ lowkee before they decided to trespass on a copyright...

Who's to say lowkee isn't an agent of the MPAA/RIAA, logging every IP for a future lawsuit?


That is just plain stupid =)

Or that they'll buy his site for the IPs?


Maybe they bought it already, now they're just logging =)

Or that they'll hire a hacker to crack his logs to get the IPs? Or hire script bitches to DDoS his site?


They don't need to hire anyone, there are plenty of anty-piracy guys, who would crack or ddos for free.
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Lokitorrent fighting the MPAA/RIAA--- Don't make me laugh!!!

Postby garyowen » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:47 am

As of today's date lokitorrent, the saviour of P2P, the Protector of filesharing...IS GONE!!!!

The valiant owner (who's name will, for the present moment remain unannounced), has closed the site, accepting no more donations from o9th February and absconded with circa $50,000 of donations sent to his FIGHTING fund!!

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself @ http://www.lokitorrent.com

Saviour??? Yeah, saving himself more like!!!

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Re: Lokitorrent fighting the MPAA/RIAA--- Don't make me laug

Postby Bunny101 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:07 am

garyowen wrote:As of today's date lokitorrent, the saviour of P2P, the Protector of filesharing...IS GONE!!!!

The valiant owner (who's name will, for the present moment remain unannounced), has closed the site, accepting no more donations from o9th February and absconded with circa $50,000 of donations sent to his FIGHTING fund!!

Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself @ http://www.lokitorrent.com

Saviour??? Yeah, saving himself more like!!!

:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:


Bah could be server problems, i am paraniod thou so i think he took the money and ran :evil:
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Postby soma » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:26 am

Maybe they bought it already, now they're just logging =)


I think that would bring up legal issues of entrapment. :P
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Re: Lokitorrent fighting the MPAA/RIAA--- Don't make me laug

Postby takeda » Thu Feb 10, 2005 1:43 pm

Bunny101 wrote:Bah could be server problems, i am paraniod thou so i think he took the money and ran :evil:


The site is working right now, so looks like he is keeping his word.

I only think that his last move was really bad, and I wouldn't have anything against Lowkee if that wouldn't happen.

But, everybody makes mistakes...
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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:08 pm

The donations banner is gone. Mufftorrent is in some kinda legal trouble too.
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Postby takeda » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:09 pm

Nice (it was working few hours ago):
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/02/10/loki_down_mpaa/

Looks like they predicted correctly in this article:
http://www.torrent-news.com/archives/ru ... 000020.php
Our prediction is this Lokitorrent will sign a deal with the MPAA to shutdown, they will claim to shutdown saying that do to lack of donations they ca not afford to fight the case. The Lokitorrent admins save face with the BitTorrent community and continue their mufftorrent porn site and everyone goes on thinking they were just underdogs that could not afford to fight.
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Postby Mr_Cynical » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:24 am

Just a non-flaming thought here:
*Since the legal proceedings never actually started, where did those $40,000+ donations go
*If he was planning to settle then why not just shut down, delete logs etc. before the MPAA had the idea of taking them?

although I did use the phrase 'backstabbing scum' in my blog post on the subject
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he bailed

Postby aj4nj » Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:12 am

yep
i'm sure he was all fired up to fight them, but as the pressure was put on him, he just started to cave. $40k was bail-myself-out money incase of a fine. I'm also sure he wasn't entirely honest with his users, he was seriously considering to sell loki torrent. He just couldn't say that to anyone, or the donations would stop comming in.

All you donators DID get skrewed, in none of his statements anywhere did he say who was defending him. Just that they defended shoutcast.
The simple fact is her only consulted with the ex-should cast lawyers, never actually hired them.

The cash belong to the MPAA now. Now they can all could out for lunch at the expense on the bit torrent community.

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Postby trecital » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:19 am

Now they can all could out for lunch at the expense on the bit torrent community.


No way!!! An MPAA lunch costs way more than $40,000.
Those greedy fat bastards can't put up with anything less than the best.

If you advertise something for sale, and then state that you have no intention of selling it then its value is....a big fat zero.....because its not for sale. Some things may have an intrinsic value, like gold or diamonds etc. Or you may not be selling YOUR car but other peope are selling similar cars so therefore you can say roughly what yours would be worth IF you decided to sell it. But a web site has NO intrinsic value. It's only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it.
So in this case it is actually zero!
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