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Postby Allied » Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:34 am

serrebi101 wrote:Looks like a bit torrent client,
Isn't it ironic that the suprnova search is up but nothing else?
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I've seen exeem, nice bit torrent client, seems to inpliment submiting torrents,
I don't have a serial, so I can't try it out, anyone wanna share one? After all, this is p2p after all! :P :D

You already have the program? Where did you get it?
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Postby SlyckChuck » Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:36 am

Good article Tom


For suprnova it makes sense!!! 8)
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Postby poullos » Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:37 am

First of all, great article Tom!

It seems there are a lot of questions on how this application will allow users to share. My beliefs is that it will maintain most of the bittorrent's functionality. Mainly because this is what caused this huge success.

Maybe the sites will still exist for torrents but as a torrent makes its own network, the clients will make their own network of annuncement of the torrents used. This implies that all the bittorrent clients will exist in a bittorrent network, something nowdays does not exist. Therefore, you won't need the tracker after you find and launch the torrent.
I don't know how but this seems the most logical change to make. The distribution method to be the same, and add the global network of bittorrent clients. I think something like the udp tracker bitcomet uses.
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Postby jimmy90 » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:22 am

SlyckTom wrote:
So would the torrent files still be posted on websites?


I dont know if suprnova.org will still exist as a torrent lister...probably not since to purpose of this is to alleviate bandwidth. All I know is that people will share torrents within the network and be independent of any central or web server.


It seems to me that every client should have it's own copy of the distributed suprnova site. Updates to that site (new torrent releases, etc) will be propogated using a bit of PKI to ensure that only content by suprnova members and admins is added. Trackers could also be nominated using a trust system to ensure that only nodes with enough resources can be used.

The torrents should still work as usual (ie. have a lot of bandwidth dedicated to them for a relatively short amount of time) and the suprnova site will be shared by all clients - effectively requiring no bandwidth from suprnova.org.

Kinda like Gnewsgroups vs Shareaza Collections. :)
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Postby Rocketman » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:24 pm

I am still not that sure if this exeem program will work out. To me it just sounds too much like Kazza with all the third party stuff.
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Lets See

Postby DeathOnHolliday » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:28 pm

Just joined to give a *Little* Info..
Now as a beta tester myself and connected To SNF here's a bit of info..

Fake Files flooding eXeem-
Now from what *I* can see this may not be such a big problem with eXeem as each Torrent/File can be rated by fellow users along with being able to add comments to the torrent/file for others to read/rate.

Serial #'s-
Yes the eXeem Client ATM requires a Serial # and it *Seems* That it is tied to your IP/SNF Account (Account Im Sure of...IP..Not TOO Sure)
Today..We beta testers recived an EMail from the eXeem team with another serial # and were told in the EMail that If we did not need the serial # we could give it to a friend BUT,That they would not have access to SNF's Beta Tester forum hence no access to any updates (You'd have to get any updates either from the eXeem Network of from the person who gave you the the serial # :D

Latest Update to eXeem is ver 0.13 and seems to have removed a lot of the bugs and now is a lot more stable.
I'd Post some ScreenShots of it in action But That may get me into trouble Sooooo

Now off to find someone willing to sell their soul for a serial # Heh

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Postby Mel_Smiley_VIP » Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:36 pm

Will there be a porn section? If you want a good P2P app you gotta have a porn section. lol
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P0rn?

Postby DeathOnHolliday » Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:31 pm

Well...In eXeem' Search there is an *Adult* Sooooo

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Postby M_Mickey » Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:28 am

I bet this app work just fine with 5000 high-end beta testers, like most p2p apps would.
The real test will be when 1000000 regular users starts logging on/off, creating torrents, and new clients will try to let users leech only, etc.

I see exeem more like a addition to bt, especially for the most popular files, like new games, movies etc. To take some load off trackers.

But i fear it will be to messy to really replace bt.

I hope exeem works great! (can't wait to try it)
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Re: Lets See

Postby Asuran » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:03 am

DeathOnHolliday wrote:Fake Files flooding eXeem-
Now from what *I* can see this may not be such a big problem with eXeem as each Torrent/File can be rated by fellow users along with being able to add comments to the torrent/file for others to read/rate.


What's to stop the RIAA from giving high ratings to their fakes...
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Screens

Postby eXeem » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:33 am

Some screenshots of eXeem 0.13 (version 0.14 is the latest):

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=E2047 ... 0BC8E6F39F

EDIT: This link is broken, see below.
Last edited by eXeem on Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Bunny101 » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:46 am

got a error when clicking link no picture :x
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Re: Screens

Postby deadhippo » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:54 am

eXeem wrote:Some screenshots of eXeem 0.13 (version 0.14 is the latest):

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=E2047 ... 0BC8E6F39F


cant see the file either but am currently dl exeem on edonkey
hope its not a virus :shock:
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Postby deadhippo » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:53 am

Image

for those who are interested
i dont have a valid serial so i cant show you more
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Postby AussieMatt » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:46 pm

So how is this any different to any p2p that offers swarming . If you read Slashdot you will see people asking for encryption, IP masking and swarming thats already availible in other betas of p2p aplications . Exceem is closed source and will probably have the usual adware bundled into it ,anyway its another development toward decentalising p2p.
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Postby eretan » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:32 pm

I see that many other people have already touched on the issue of eXeem becoming JAP2P. Here's my $0.02 on the speed issue (which is imo the main advantage of bittorrent as it is).

I personally fail to see how eXeem is different from other P2P networks...

If you look at the structure of any other decentralized network (there's a lot btw: GNUtella, Kad, Overnet etc.) you will see that each peer on all of the protocols are "nodes" which would be the eqivalent of "trackers" in Exeem (except with a different name). There was a point made in the other post:

uberche wrote:they download faster as everyone is downloading small parts of the same file but not nessacarily the same part so maybe one person is downloading hte end while another hte begining than they all share those parts with everyone else for faster speeds.


I don't know how that's different from a lot of other decentralized P2Ps... Kad and Overnet, for example (the two I had the most experience with).

With regards to the speed issue, let us ask ourselves... why are the other decentralized networks slow? I ask this because the total up/down ratio on any P2P web is 1. In other words, there are as much uploaded as downloaded. Hence there shouldn't be a speed problem. This issue needs to be discussed as well, if we are to make Exeem anything other then JAP2P.

I personally run a tracker ring... hence we are semi-decentralized (more then one tracker tracking the same file), but this could only be done to a limited number of trackers, or else the traffic between trackers would be enormous. And I always thought that the core of BT is at the very least semi-decentralized, unlike other P2P, because there are way more then one tracker out there, though they track different files.

What does anyone else think about this?
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Postby trub » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:20 pm

First of all, they have said quite clearly, it will be closed source only, supported by adware, once it is out of beta. They said Linux is out of the question, mac is a very slight possibility.

I swiped a copy of their howto if anyone is still interested, and uploaded here: http://rorexrobots.com/ex

You'd think they'd be more open, having built on bittorrent, which is opensource itself, but no.
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Postby crashuk » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:40 pm

From what I can tell.. this is just a tracker less BT.. Just like in Shareaza but will be a lot bigger user base so will work better... as long as this has some type of BT super seeding system you should get good download speeds most of the time..

at this time the program can not host any type of web site or forums.. so I dont think the suprnova.org will go offline... but it looks like they going to have magnet links to bt files.. and files listed by suprnova.org would no longer need to host .torrent files which are 20-80KB in size..

below is a magnet link from it.. also when download file it gets metadata about the file..

magnet:?xt=urn%3aexeem%3a2ba0ef3e665d50bfb4fafb285007f798a9632860.1&dn=The%20New%20Guy%20DivX

The files on the network are all magnet links from what I can tell I dont if some one can downloads a .torrent if other users can see it and download it.. maybe they add that later on.. they could be using G2 core as a base for the network.. or maybe they own.
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Postby eretan » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:26 pm

Crashuk: "user base" size is actually indirectly and inversely related to the speed at which data returns. I say this because, like I said in my last post, the overall up/down ratio of any P2P is one. Technically there's no such thing as a "fast" P2P network and a "slow" P2P network, not counting the overhead packets (which should be about the same for the more mature decentralized networks, and basically has everything to do with the search function and nothing to do with the actual downloading). This "speed" that people keep talking about is just the amount of time for what you upload to return to you (which is in part due to a "credit" system; i.e. the more you upload the more you download, unless you choke your overhead bw). That specification is inversely related to file number. The more files shared, the "slower" the P2P network is. You can witness this in action in any large decentralized network (the ones I mentioned in my last post).

I've done some thinking and concluded that eXeem seems like JAP2P... and a closed source one at that. Like I said in the last post, we have to ask: Has the developers of eXeem identified the cause of the "speed" problem in other decentralized networks? What has he/she done to correct this problem?
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Postby LANjackal » Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:29 pm

trub wrote:First of all, they have said quite clearly, it will be closed source only, supported by adware, once it is out of beta.


Adware!? Nasty. That wouldn't be a good idea for them to do: savvy users would simply avoid the client and still use the website. In any case, I'm pretty sure that Suprnova's sheer popularity would provide much incentive for an open-source/adware-free alternative for accessing the network, as happened with ED2K and eMule.
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Postby notbob » Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:13 pm

i hope that they rewrote the entire thing, because if BT is open source GPL, you can't close source derivatives of it, can you?
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GPL

Postby AussieMatt » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:44 am

Does anyone have the Licence terms of exceem .
Lets look for a violation .

GNU General Public License

http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html
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Postby Allied » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:56 am

eXeem was built from scratch. It doesn't violate any laws.
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