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Postby notbob » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:45 pm

Elly wrote:
[20:57] <Server> Network: 6679/11500 users, 7.279.926 files, 322.801 GB.

Plenty of room left and it's not even all the capacity, if necessary it can be raised.

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no wonder people think opennap is dead

that's the amount shared by one person in dc (one eighth of a person in some cases)
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Postby bmh67wa » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:04 pm

SlavaNap uses a "." instead of a "," in it's server stats readout. Show us someone with with over 7M @ 322,801 GB of files being shared and you'll be showing us the next victim of the **AA! :wink:

I wish I had that kind of hard drive space! :twisted:
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Postby ashton » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:14 pm

Tom, What is a PNP network? :lol:
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Postby notbob » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:21 pm

bmh67wa wrote:SlavaNap uses a "." instead of a "," in it's server stats readout. Show us someone with with over 7M @ 322,801 GB of files being shared and you'll be showing us the next victim of the **AA! :wink:

I wish I had that kind of hard drive space! :twisted:


if winmx/opennap people could see this every day, they wouldn't fanboy such a crappy app

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Postby SlyckTom » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:38 pm

Tom, What is a PNP network


PNP = Peer Networking Protocol

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Postby Psycho Ced » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:45 pm

Peer Networking Protocol network :?
That name sounds redundant. :o
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Postby bmh67wa » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:48 pm

Now that more people will be flocking to OpenNap servers our numbers will reach those marks again. Movies aren't shared as much on OpenNap as they are with other P2P applications. I have already noticed a steady rise in the amount and size being shared. While this may be only temporary it looks good for us! Consider how many music files (which is the primary file type shared on OpenNap) and the fact that usually they are being shared individually and not by the whole album and you'll get an idea on how much is actually being shared here. A random browse or two on many of these new users show a lot of movies flowing in. Unlike most other P2P apps, OpenNap server owners for the most part have blocked the sharing of most porn. That also amounts to quite a large chunk of files that you are seeing being shared using other methods. Take out the porn, the viruses, the incomplete files (SlavaNap has a setting to disallow the sharing of incompletes), the useless text files (I found one person sharing hundreds of .wsx files :!: ) and all of the fakes that people on the other networks use to inflate their sharing counts (kind of like spamming for post counts on forums) and you will have a more accurate representation of what is really being shared. Elly's example was with less than 7000 users. Not bad for a network twice the size of SoulSeek or Filetopia on a good day!
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Postby Yuri Cheepnokoff » Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:54 pm

SlyckTom wrote:
Tom, What is a PNP network


PNP = Peer Networking Protocol

:-D


I thought PNP = Party 'N' Play :lol:
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Postby Risky » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:20 pm

Though I no longer work on Morpheus (other passions beckon) I believe they will never settle, and will do the utmost to protect the freedoms of their users.

I've been privy to some interesting tidbits over time, and I wouldn't be willing to say or even believe the same applies to any other p2p companies (entity-less open source projects excluded).
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Postby notbob » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:24 pm

bmh67wa wrote:Now that more people will be flocking to OpenNap servers our numbers will reach those marks again. Movies aren't shared as much on OpenNap as they are with other P2P applications.


opennap will never come back, as long as easier to use, one click systems like edonkey exist

people don't want to set up and configure stuff, they want it to work right out of the box
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Postby DepecheNode » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:27 pm

notbob wrote:
bmh67wa wrote:Now that more people will be flocking to OpenNap servers our numbers will reach those marks again. Movies aren't shared as much on OpenNap as they are with other P2P applications.


opennap will never come back, as long as easier to use, one click systems like edonkey exist

people don't want to set up and configure stuff, they want it to work right out of the box


NB, have you tried the OpenNap function in WinMX? I don't see how it could be easier. I think it's easier than 'mule.
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Postby notbob » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:34 pm

DepecheNode wrote:
notbob wrote:
bmh67wa wrote:Now that more people will be flocking to OpenNap servers our numbers will reach those marks again. Movies aren't shared as much on OpenNap as they are with other P2P applications.


opennap will never come back, as long as easier to use, one click systems like edonkey exist

people don't want to set up and configure stuff, they want it to work right out of the box


NB, have you tried the OpenNap function in WinMX? I don't see how it could be easier. I think it's easier than 'mule.


easy for you and me, but not for the morons swarming here and zp looking to finish their incomplete downloads after using nothing but winmx for almost a decade
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Postby bmh67wa » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:35 pm

notbob wrote:
DepecheNode wrote:
notbob wrote:
bmh67wa wrote:Now that more people will be flocking to OpenNap servers our numbers will reach those marks again. Movies aren't shared as much on OpenNap as they are with other P2P applications.


opennap will never come back, as long as easier to use, one click systems like edonkey exist

people don't want to set up and configure stuff, they want it to work right out of the box


NB, have you tried the OpenNap function in WinMX? I don't see how it could be easier. I think it's easier than 'mule.


easy for you and me, but not for the morons swarming here and zp looking to finish their incomplete downloads after using nothing but winmx for almost a decade


True... very true. Just remember that not all of these guys are "morons" though. I will be more than happy to help those that seek it.
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Postby no_dammagE » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:36 pm

RIP, WPNP, RIP WinMX.

Well, WinMX was dead for 2 years - WinMX/WPNP fans have two opportunities: setup a bootstrap and edit their /etc/hosts, but it will bring the network to the new super-high numbers of 100 hardened friend who would be better served by a single DC hub or move along to an another similar network as G(2)Net or AresNET...

As for me: I won't cry a single tear after FrontCode - they had several opportunities to save the community: by opening the protocol or by opening the client. Nothing happened and again we see a good example of closed software controlled by a single power.

PS: what is a reasonable value for a thread.sleep inside of a while (true) {...} thread mainloop?
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Postby Elly » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:44 pm

WinMX users don't really need to keep on using the client anymore, they are not bound to the wpnp anymore so they can easily switch to another client if they like and over the last year a lot of them have already switched to WinLop f/i.

These ppl are not morons, they are ppl who need support now and they can get it on the opennaps. Even if they want to switch clients they can get plenty of support.

There's a lot of expertise on those opennaps and i know that every serverowner is willing to help.

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Postby Ade » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:53 pm

notbob wrote:people don't want to set up and configure stuff, they want it to work right out of the box

Well....that's not so unreasonable: just about every other form of technology seems to be heading that way.

Thing is, there's a lot of folk (including me) who simply don't understand all the computer stuff: it's not that they are lazy - they'd "configure" till the cows came home - if they only knew how!

People are worried about upsetting existing configurations on their machine, introducing conflicts and simply getting confused with the instructions (which often seem to be written for the technically minded - ie those who probably need them rather less anyway!)

Nope - I reckon WinMX will have lost a few peeps - at least until it re-appears (if it re-appears). I guess folk will eventually pluck up courage to go looking at other networks.....
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Postby no_dammagE » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:13 pm

notice the development - how much you had to configure in first P2P clients (ftpd and ftp for example) and how much you have to do now to setup a p2p node and/or access it.

The software is evolving, a lot of work you had to do manually is later always done by automated processes. Or do you want to tell me that you still have to throw coal into a train engine? Once technology is relatively robust, people concentrate on usability.

Unfortunately WinMX didn't come much far after the technology was robust [for those times]. Take a modern P2P application - you reply on several questions and the application performs as it should [and if not, you go and ask google for a sollution]. BTW: that's why we have so many firewalled users without punched holes/open ports.
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Postby captainmetropolis » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:49 pm

Elly wrote:These ppl are not morons, they are ppl who need support now and they can get it on the opennaps. Even if they want to switch clients they can get plenty of support.

There's a lot of expertise on those opennaps and i know that every serverowner is willing to help.


Thank you Elly

In the past 24 hours I went searching for an alternative to winmx...being one of the "morons" referred to here who has used it for many years, I was a bit lost.

Perhaps some of the more dismissive people in here may want to think back to a time when they didn't have the knowledge and expertise they have now. We all need to start somewhere. Reading comments like "these people are morons" from some of the opennap experts in here certainly doesn't make me want to explore the option at all. If that's the sort of attitude I'm going to experience...I'd rather go elsewhere :(

As it turns out, I downloaded "shareaza"...worked out how to punch a hole in my XP firewall with the help of the excellent (and very friendly) forums they have setup, and it's running very well indeed.

Opennap sounds fascinating and I'd love to explore it, but from the sounds of it morons like me are too much trouble.
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Postby notbob » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:04 pm

captainmetropolis wrote:Perhaps some of the more dismissive people in here may want to think back to a time when they didn't have the knowledge and expertise they have now. We all need to start somewhere. Reading comments like "these people are morons" from some of the opennap experts in here certainly doesn't make me want to explore the option at all. If that's the sort of attitude I'm going to experience...I'd rather go elsewhere :(



"morons" are people too lazy to look up something on google

morons need to be walked through everything step by step, and even then can't follow simple instruction

how to set up opennap has been covered thousands of times on the internet (2 or 3 times in this thread even)

if you want to do it, take the initiative and do it, don't whine about how mean everyone is
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Postby Snip » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:07 pm

there is currently people working on a new peer cache server. there will probably be a patch you need to run with winmx to get it to connect to the new cache server.
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Postby 666 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:19 pm

404s on the URL and both IPs

eclectica wrote:You can visit frontcode.com directly or through the IP address:
http://64.246.15.43/. And you can still visit winmx.com at its old IP address, though the domain name doesn't resolve to there anymore:
http://66.98.186.39/
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Postby Elly » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:32 pm

captainmetropolis wrote:cut
Reading comments like "these people are morons" from some of the opennap experts in here certainly doesn't make me want to explore the option at all. If that's the sort of attitude I'm going to experience...I'd rather go elsewhere :(

As it turns out, I downloaded "shareaza"...worked out how to punch a hole in my XP firewall with the help of the excellent (and very friendly) forums they have setup, and it's running very well indeed.

Opennap sounds fascinating and I'd love to explore it, but from the sounds of it morons like me are too much trouble.


I'm sorry you feel that way. I don't recal notbob being an opennap serverowner and i hope you did see clearly that i don't like the label "moron" for users who just don't know and need support. I regret the fact that there was only 1 comment of 1 poster necessary to keep you from trying the opennaps but i also hope you enjoy using shareaza.

Greetz,
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Postby Exothermicus » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:35 pm

no_dammagE wrote:PS: what is a reasonable value for a thread.sleep inside of a while (true) {...} thread mainloop?


The best way is to use a wait function like WaitFor*object, select, or poll to block until there is something that needs to be processed. That way you can wake up as soon as an event happens. These calls also support a timeout, so if you need to send a ping periodically, the timeout can wake you for that.

Depends on what is being done in the loop, but a sleep within a do forever loop is a last resort used to poll for activity, that there is no other clean way to monitor.

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Postby witsend7 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:39 pm

Can anyone recommend the best site for sharing karaoke zip files.
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WinMx Friend Finder

Postby jazzman75 » Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:39 pm

I have started setting up a site for WinMX chatters to find friends just in case WinMX is down for good. The site will have a simple system for people to find their chat friends. I am also planning to allow people to post information about the whereabouts of WinMX chat rooms that are relocating to other networks. I am hoping to have a working database a few hours from now. The domain, winmxfriends.com, should be online very soon.

Feel free to pass this information on to others. If WinMX comes back online, I only wasted $9 and some time. If it doesn't, there will be a repository for people to find former friends and chat rooms.

=> Jazzman

http://www.winmxfriends.com
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