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Postby hexen » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:46 am

This thread will serve as a list and archive of all the OpenNap clients available (and long unavailable).
The reason for this is:

  • Slycks' list of OpenNap clients is unsatisfying
  • Users interested in OpenNap may try out different clients, read about pros and cons and ask questions to users regarding stability etc.
  • A big list of OpenNap clients hasn't really been done yet; all the clients are spread out across underground forums on the Internet
  • The OpenNap network is one of the most enduring networks ever. It remains as a source for rare content, friendly file-exchange and is beyond any centralized control (yes, you need a server to connect to, but there is no authority deciding who runs what and why, giving freedom to have servers specialised on different content)
  • This thread can help contribute to raise an interest in a network that over the years has gotten less and less publicity due to its very nature
  • This thread may prove to be helpful for people outside of Slycks' community as well

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    XNap: Java-based client
    (Version 2.5r3)

    Pros
  • Bandwith limitation (UL and DL)
  • Fetch multiple serverlists automatically
  • Add servers manually
  • Direct browse and regular browse
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Anti-leech function (+ send automessage to the leech!)
  • Limit shares per server
  • Away and ban-message
  • Import/export .wsx files
  • Connect to multiple servers
  • Filepreview (MP3 player support)
  • Search for files within library
  • Allow/deny certain users from downloading/uploading
  • IM feature
  • Folder browse
  • Customize apperance
  • Proxy support
  • Log file transfer-activity

    Cons
  • Requires/uses Java
  • High RAM usage (x>20MB)
  • Interface fairly bloated with buttons instead of a clean approach
  • No option to forge all servers under a specific network in server window

    *Download at:
    http://xnap.sourceforge.net/
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    Lopster: Linux goes OpenNap
    (Version 1.2.2)

    Pros
  • Fetch serverlist automatically
  • Connect to multiple servers
  • Add servers manually
  • Import .wsx serverlist
  • Uses small amount system resources
  • Choose which server/s to search on
  • Bandwith limitation (upload/download)
  • Bandwith graph
  • Basic IRC support
  • Very advanced search-filter
  • Search for files in library
  • Save library as a file
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Auto-search incomplete files
  • Who-is function
  • Direct browse (???)
  • Emulate WinMX 2.6
  • Folder-browse
  • Remember downloaded files
  • Away-message
  • Search- and browse history
  • Customize themes
  • IM feature
  • Support for DCC
  • Log activity
  • MD5-hash check
  • Multi-source downloading

    Cons
  • Still plagued by some bugs and *may* crash
  • Long learning-curve for the new user

    *Download at: http://lopster.sourceforge.net/index.php?section=main

    Sidenote: In addition to Lopster there is a port to Windows called Winlop, which today is being widely used for its' rich features.
    A modded client called Rama-Lopster is also available.
    Rama-Lopster is without doubt a clone off of the original Winlop client, as seen by interface, source code, changes and features.

    Download Winlop at:
    http://winlop.sourceforge.net/

    Download Rama-Lopster at:
    http://www.esseerre.it/lopster/

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    SunshineUN: Easy-weighter from Germany
    (Version Beta 4.1-2)

    Pros
  • Very light on system resources
  • Filter files in your library
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Manually add servers
  • Create profiles (users/accounts) with different settings
  • Option for DCC (receive and send files)
  • Stream files while downloading
  • Easy & clean interface to understand and handle
  • Low learning-curve
  • Good stability
  • Very fast hashing of files
  • Full path view of browse
  • Filter server-messages
  • Customize colour and sound effects
  • IM-feature
  • Who-is feature

    Cons
  • Does not support import of .wsx files (serverlists)
  • Has occasional problems with dropping queues (both download and upload)
  • Not updated since ~2002
  • Few features for the advanced user
  • Can only connect to one server at a time
  • No control over upload queue

    *Download at:
    http://www.networksunshine.de/
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    WinMX: Old-school revived
    (V.3.54 Beta 4)

    Pros
  • Support for connection to multiple servers
  • Import/export of .wsx files
  • Detailed information on files in library
  • Advanced search options and filter
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Bandwith graph
  • Proxy-support
  • Rich chat-features
  • Fast hashing of files
  • Total contral on upload-queue
  • Rich with third-party clients
  • Away-message
  • Customize appearance
  • Bandwith throttle
  • Change thread-priority
  • IM and message feature
  • Who-is feature
  • Good stability
  • Full Path view of browse

    Cons
  • No support for direct-browse (e.g the server decided the limit of the amount of files you may browse from a user)
  • Many servers reportedly ban WinMX
  • No automatic search for incomplete files
  • High usage of system resources
  • Not updated since ~2004
  • Total control of upload queue

    *Download at:
    http://archive.winmxworld.com/WinMX/Beta/3.54%20betas/

    Sidenote: Some users claim V.2.6 had better OpenNap support than the newer versions of WinMX. This user tried 2.6 and although the interface is very spare, found no special features regarding OpenNap. 2.6 lacks many options and features that today are standard, such as support for .wsx serverlists. I leave it for each and one to try out 2.6 and compare with newer releases.
    Download at:
    http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=winmx

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    Utatane: Underground Circulator from Japan
    (Version 0.253 [English version 0.301])

    Pros
  • Connect to multiple servers
  • Manually add servers
  • Very fast hashing of files
  • Support for direct browse
  • Permanent hotlist
    IM feature
  • Light on system resources
  • Support for direct-browse
  • Away-message
  • Full path view on browse
  • Very clean and simple interface
  • Log nearly all activity
  • Bandwith limitation
  • Search- and browse history
  • Block clients
  • Customize colours and sounds
  • Who-is feature

    Cons
  • English version of the client is hard to get and does not keep up with the Japenese development
  • Lack support for .wsx files and serverlists
  • Interface and functions do not vary much from WinMX 3.x
  • Lacks features for the advanced users
  • All uploads must be started manually, making it a potential leeching-client

    *Download at:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6U8KW9AG
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    AudioGnome: Banana in the fruit bowl of age
    (Version 1.0.160)

    Pros
  • Automatically download and connect to a list of servers
  • Supports PNN (A way of AG-clients to connect to eachother directly)
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Who-is function
  • Manually add servers to list
  • Highlight keywords in search-list
  • Automatically finds sources for incomplete files
  • Full path view in browse window
  • Easy interface for new users

    Cons
  • Has to download additional components outside of the main setup-file
  • Only carries the essential features
  • Interface many times inconsistant and mysterious
  • Does not report download- and upload statistics to connected server

    *Download at:
    http://www.audiognome.com/
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    iNap: I saw, I conquered, I disappeared...
    (Version 1.04)

    Pros
  • Extremely easy and clean interface
  • Permanent hotlist [with the programmer added to it by default...]
  • Private message feature
  • Manually add servers to list
  • Very easy to setup

    Cons
  • No advanced features what so ever, only the absolute basics of options to choose from
  • No customization regarding login name and password on individual servers
  • Only supports Napigator server list
  • Annoying pop up window is displayed while hashing files
  • Not developed on or even hosted anymore
  • Some obvious but minor bugs encountered when adding folders to share
  • Uses quite much RAM (x>20MB) even though the client itself is light as a feather feature-wise

    *Download at:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20050307235949/http://intradream.com/downloads/inap/INap1.00.msi
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    Napster: Relic from the past is alive
    (Version 2.0 Beta 6)

    Pros
  • Search filter
  • Large chat window (great for displaying server messages)
  • Internal media player
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Very light on resources (x<1,5MB RAM)
  • IM feature
  • Who-is feature
  • Very easy and clean interface
  • Short learning curve
  • Nostalgia-feeling

    Cons
  • Needs Napigator, customized registry patch and GotNap server patch to run
  • Only one server connection at a time
  • Not developed or even supported anymore

    Short guide to make Napster Version 2.0 Beta 6 to run:
    1. Run GotNap server patch
    2. Generate Registry patch for Napster
    3. Save in textfile as whatever.reg (make sure you change the file-extension and not just the filename. Unsure how? Open up a folder in windows explorer, choose "Tools" in menu, then "Folder Options". Under "View"-tab uncheck "Hide file extensions for known filetypes". You're set!
    4. Run whatever.reg
    5. Install Napster Version 2.0 Beta 6
    6. Install Napigator 2.08
    7. Run "Napigator" if you want it integrated into Napster client, or run "Standalone" if you want to run Napigator seperated from Napster
    8. If you receive a serverlist in Napigator, use that. If not, enter a manual address in Napigator and connect to that. Napigator will redirect to Napster and automatically connect to the server
    Sidenote: Napigator is reported to have generated pop up ads. Therefore, running a simple pop up-blocker is highly recommended!
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    Filenavigator: OpenNap and Pop-Up Ads in one package
    (Version 3.4)

    Pros
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Advanced search filter
  • Connection to multiple servers
  • Bandwith graph
  • Bandwith limitation
  • Auto-resume failed downloads
  • Add servers manually

    Cons
  • Displays Pop-Up Ads
  • Confusing interface (search-feature in pop up window, bloated with small buttons etc)
  • Not developed on anymore

    *Download at:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20021207083206/http://www.filenavigator.com/setupex.exe
    WARNING: Setup-file contains Win32/TrojanClicker.IntelliAdvert.A (Trojan), that infects C:\WINNT\Services32.exe. If you must download this software, use anti-virus program (I used NOD32 to get rid of this Trojan). DOWNLOAD AT OWN RISK!!!
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    Osprey: Not great nor bad - just there
    (Version 1.07)

    Pros
  • Proxy support
  • Permanent hotlist
  • Advanced search filter
  • Add servers manually
  • Easy and clean interface
  • Short learning curve

    Cons
  • Not developed on anymore
  • Mediocre client lacking features for the advanced user
  • Support for Napigator serverlist fetching only

    *Download at:
    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LJGH005O

    Sidenote: To make this program run successfully, please move the file called "HotButton.ocx" from the "osprey107_june"-folder to the "Bin"-folder and then run "Osprey.exe" from there.
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    Scoundrel - "Browse and you shall find..."
    (Tech Preview 2)

    Pros
  • Clear server- and log history
  • Add servers manually
  • Winamp integration
  • Bitrate filter
  • Automatic retry of failed downloads
  • Automatically search&download songs/full albums by using amazon.com (built in browser)
  • Light on system resources (X<12 MB RAM)

    Cons
  • No chat function
  • No ordinary manual search function
  • No support for serverlist
  • Confusing "browse&download"-function for new users
  • No support for DNS lookup on servers (must enter server IP manually)

    *Download at:
    http://mspencer.net/scoundrel/getit/scoundrel_techpreview2.zip

    *This client operates in a very special way. Instead of searching for files on the server you are connected to, you instead use the integrated browser in Scoundrel to visit http://www.amazon.com. There you find your favorite music artist (or simply the music you are looking for on the connected ON-server). When this is done, Scoundrel should be able to search for the songs/album on the ON-server and automatically try to download them.
    OBS: This user did NOT get Scoundrel to search for music found on amazon, perhaps due to an updated amazon page?!
    Try yourself and post the results here!

    *Don't know the IP-address of the ON-server you wish to connect to? Try http://www.dnsstuff.com

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What is OpenNap?

Read SlyckTom's excellent article on OpenNap network here:
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=884

More information:
OpenNap servers
Discussions on OpenNap clients and servers
OpenNap serverlist
OpenNap @ Sourceforge
OpenNap @ Infoanarchy
Slyck's guide to OpenNap using WinMX
OpenNap server software
OpenNap server software
OpenNap server software
giFT-plugin for OpenNap
Private OpenNap server list
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Postby tm, » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:18 am

Than's a good idea to start a list. I found both Xnap and Winlop to be unstable and buggy, but I don't think Linux-Lopster ever crashed on me. (I've not used them in a long time, though)

I thought WinMX 2.x had much better OpenNap support than WinMX 3.x, so it probably could deserve a separate listing. (but then a lot of server hosts hate WinMX anyway)

Although I'd rate Lopster (Linux) as the best overall, it's really hard to say which is the best Windows Nap client, as they all seem to have some major faults: AudioGnome is ancient and feature-bare, WinMX gets banned for violating protocol standards, WinLop and Xnap are unstable/buggy.
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Postby Mrs. 2p » Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:32 am

interesting idea for a thread! :D

*sticky*

The reason for this is:

*Slycks' list of OpenNap clients is unsatisfying


this will now no longer be the case! :wink:
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Postby Trev0r269 » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:57 am

This thread is very useful.

My favorite client is Winlop.
http://winlop.sourceforge.net/
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Postby hexen » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:37 am

Thanks Mrs. 2P for making this thread sticky!

I need some help with getting Napster (yes, the old client that now is p2p history) to work. I've tried patching the Host-file using the GotNap patch and manually editing it; it won't work.
If anyone carries knowledge on this issue, please post some information. I know there are people still keen on trying out the old Napster client to access servers, although perhaps it's more nostalgia than usefulness.
Anyhow, feel free to link to more unknown OpenNap clients as you stumble across them.

Old Napster clients:
http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=napster
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Postby Trev0r269 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:28 pm

I don't mean to nitpick this cool thread but, should Lopster/Winlop get a bigger description in the first post? If other clients are based off of Lopster/Winlop then doesn't that merit its importance?
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Postby hexen » Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:14 pm

Trev0r269 wrote:I don't mean to nitpick this cool thread but, should Lopster/Winlop get a bigger description in the first post? If other clients are based off of Lopster/Winlop then doesn't that merit its importance?


I cannot try out Lopster myself currently, as I don't have Linux installed, but I'm sure someone else will be able to account for how it runs.
Regarding Winlop, this client is almost the same as Rama-Lopster, where Winlop has less features. I was going to post Winlop as well, but it will pretty much have the same pros and cons.
If other clients are based off of Winlop/Lopster, this merits its origin, not necessarily its importance - but on this point I still agree with you.
Winlop is up next!
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Postby Trev0r269 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:24 pm

hexen wrote:
Trev0r269 wrote:I don't mean to nitpick this cool thread but, should Lopster/Winlop get a bigger description in the first post? If other clients are based off of Lopster/Winlop then doesn't that merit its importance?


I cannot try out Lopster myself currently, as I don't have Linux installed, but I'm sure someone else will be able to account for how it runs.
Regarding Winlop, this client is almost the same as Rama-Lopster, where Winlop has less features. I was going to post Winlop as well, but it will pretty much have the same pros and cons.
If other clients are based off of Winlop/Lopster, this merits its origin, not necessarily its importance - but on this point I still agree with you.
Winlop is up next!


I see what you mean. It would seem pointless to include a Winlop summary if it will be pretty much the same as the Winlop spin-off. As long its noted that should do. I just don't want to see, what I call a good client, to be left out, especially when its the base for other clients. You agree with me on that (if I interpret right), and no sense in arguing anymore.

I hope somepne knows a way to config old Napster to work on a new opennap list of servers. I would use it a little for sentimental purposes. Maybe I'll monkey with it later, but I don't know what I'd do passed what has already been tried.
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Postby hexen » Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:29 pm

I agree with you entirely!
All OpenNap clients existing shall be archived here, especially a client as great as Winlop, having earned many users' trust. As you pointed out, it'd be kind of useless posting the same features under Winlop, as they both are very much the same. I have added Winlop as a sidenote to Rama-Lopster, please tell me if you think it deserves a larger examination. The idea was to give light to all OpenNap clients and comparing their strengths weaknesses. So far, so good!

On the Napster-case, I am less educated in this area. I know several people have tried to use the old Napster by modyfing the HOST-file in C:/WINNT/System32/drivers/etc. Alternately there is a GotNap patch that one can use to alter the file. I have not managed to get this to work; Napster client just tries connecting to the server and then the fun ends. Hopefully we'll get help on this one, because I know many people would be interested in giving life to the old Napster client.
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Postby MrFredPFL » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:33 pm

since i haven't seen it mentioned specifically yet, i will ask ;)

to those having problems getting napster client to work: you are using it in conjunction with the napigator program, right? additionally, there is more required to make it work than patching the hosts file. the napster client checks the registry to see if it has already been registered by napster. if it doesn't see this registry entry, it will attempt to register itself, a process which will not succeed, of course, so it hangs. the registry needs to be patched to make it think it's already registered, and skip that step, to then allow napigator client to choose a server to connect to.
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Postby tm, » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:13 pm

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Postby DKO » Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:49 am

Just a bit about the Winlop vs RamaLopster.

Sometime ago (02/2004) Rama contacted me for help using, compiling and then patching Winlop. Then he renamed the software, changed the images, and removed both Sid's and my name from the About window. His sources were not "easy" to get (you could only download binaries, the sources were sent to you once you asked by e-mail). Only after some time without updates on Winlop, his client diverged a bit from Winlop; one or two weeks later I updated the CVS with the local changes I had for some time, and not surprisingly, all the changes in Winlop appeared on RamaLopster again in the following release (some replacing the original features Rama developed independently). I reviewed his code most of the times (when he made it available), and never found any real bug-fix that wasn't already on Winlop.

So I think most perceptions of Winlop being more or less stable than RamaLopster are placebo. Other than his additions (that IMHO take the control away from the user), the code is exactly the same.

I don't think it even deserves to be called a "port", as Rama never made any port in the code, he just hacked some code into Winlop to make it work the way he likes.
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Postby hexen » Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:04 am

First of all I thank you MrFredPFL for posting this information on the Napster-case. If you somehow could get hold of a stable Napigator client and a registry fix/patch, it would be highly appriciated.

Regarding Rama-lopster, this was also some interesting information. I think your post addresses some vital issues with letting a code go OpenSource. If we are to believe your story, then the Rama-guy basically copied your work and tuned it a bit. I think this coincides with the general opinion on Rama-lopster vs Winlop; the similarities between the both programs are obvious.

Personally I found Rama-lopster to have more bugs (when you for instance remove the alternative data ports, the start-up-wizard crashes the client and all settings go out the door). Winlop used to crash randomly on me at times, I don't know if Rama-lopster would do the same.

On second thought with this information in mind, I think it could be more fair to give Winlop the big attention, and letting Rama-lopster stick out at the end as a side-note. Would this be more valid you think, DKO?
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Postby DKO » Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:54 am

hexen wrote:I think your post addresses some vital issues with letting a code go OpenSource.

If Lopster's code wasn't Free, there would never be a Win32 port in the first place. Then I wouldn't have worked on it to make it more stable.

The only "problem" is Rama's behaviour, trying to take the credit; he could also have done that with the plain .exe (it's not hard to change strings and images in a binary file), the fact it's a Free Software is irrelevant.

If we are to believe your story, then the Rama-guy basically copied your work and tuned it a bit. I think this coincides with the general opinion on Rama-lopster vs Winlop; the similarities between the both programs are obvious.

You don't have to believe me. Take all the source releases for RamaLopster, and compare with the changes in the Winlop CVS. Or even simpler, compare the Changelogs for each RamaLopster and Winlop version. RamaLopster had their own theme selector as a separated program; then I wrote a complete theme selector built in Winlop, and the next RamaLopster had it too.

On second thought with this information in mind, I think it could be more fair to give Winlop the big attention, and letting Rama-lopster stick out at the end as a side-note. Would this be more valid you think, DKO?

Maybe you could simply display "Lopster", and add a note to the end telling that there is a Windows port, and a mod known as RamaLopster.
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Postby hexen » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:26 am

It is true that your development on Winlop would never have existed if Lopster wasn't OpenSource. At the same time, it also gives people such as Rama the ability to copy other peoples' works and taking the credit. Right?

Whether Rama-Lopster stole from you or not is besides the point; Lopster was the original client and so it deserves the main attention in this list. However, I cannot give Lopster that place right now, as I don't have Linux installed on my computer. I just got rid of Linspire as dual boot partition, so I leave this to someone running Linux.

Your input on this issue is very interesting, especially since your client represents one of the most appriciated ones today. I am not disputing your work here, but merely trying to form an opinion on where Rama-lopster stands compared to Winlop. I think we have that cleared out now, so I'll let Winlop take Rama-lopster's place. Hopefully someone running Lopster will give an input on how it works.
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Postby Elly » Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:21 pm

hexen wrote:cut
Hopefully someone running Lopster will give an input on how it works.


I have Lopster 1.2.2 running on my Mandriva machine. I have Lopster 1.2.2-fix5-Win32-0.11-RC running on my XP Pro machine. I went through the menu's quickly to find any differences. I might not be looking very well but the only significant difference between the 2 i can find is that my WinLop version can import wsx files and my Lopster on Linux can't which makes no difference for me because they can both update serverlist from gotnap.

As for RamaLopster, i tested it too and all seemed to be fine the first start up. Seemed because after it ran for about 8 hours, it crashed. I also noticed that it was not completely translated into english, they forgot to translate some Italian stuff. Also i noticed that all of the linespeed settings have their own max download speeds and minimum upload speeds. I didn't have any of those types of linespeeds and Raman00b as i was i put mine on "Unknown" which took me into not able to download ANYTHING. The max download speed was set to 0 as in nothing. Also this whole ramalopster thing looks like it's focussed on Italian linespeeds. They don't seem to have adsl 8/1 mbit like my line is so i was stuck with a 4 mbit setting which set me to a minimum uploadspeed i couldn't really afford since i'm also running a server. T3+ put my minimum uploadspeed even higher. After the first crash i restarted it again and it went poof immediatly after that. 3rd try lead to a crash after 1.5 hours and then i was so finished with this client, i started WinLop again, posted my findings on the Lopster forum on sourceforge and removed RamaLopster from my system.

I think Sgop made a really very good client for Linux and DKO turned it into a really very good windows client.

Edit: And because i forgot, a special thx goes to Sid for being one of the developpers too :-)

Greetz,
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Postby hexen » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:42 pm

Thanks for your input Elly!

First of all I have to ask: How did you manage to import .wsx files to Winlop? I didn't find this feature on Winlop myself, opposed to on Rama-lopster.
The reason why this feature is very welcome, is because GotNap only lists the common mainstream servers. There are 100+ servers out there that are online 24/7, you just need to get hold of the addresses. By searching for .wsx files on WinMX and ON networks, you find the rare ones, and often private unknown ones where you need to register.
Another good thing with .wsx files, is that you don't have to add private servers manually when switching ON client; you simply export the .wsx file from one client and import with the other.

I have experienced crashes with Winlop as well, which could be one of the main reasons why people often choose more light-weighting clients. As soon as Winlop goes stable (being able to run it more or less 24/7), I think more people will look into it. As of now, it's fairly stable and one can often run it the whole day without interruption. DKO has made some great work on Winlop though, and it's one of the few clients that I whole-heartedly can recommend to a person wanting a good ON-experience.

May I just ask, is the original Lopster client the same feature-wise as Winlop? Previous users have reported that it's suppose to be very stable, is this true? I'd love to get more information on what features it has (compared to other clients). Then I could finally put Lopster into the list as well, which I think is a must anyhow.
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Postby tm, » Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:50 pm

A review of Nap servers would also be nice to have.

Many server operators have browsing disabled or capped, requiring direct-browse-capable clients. Also, some servers ban certain clients. Standard serverlists do not reveal this essential information.
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Postby Elly » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:26 pm

hexen wrote:Thanks for your input Elly!

First of all I have to ask: How did you manage to import .wsx files to Winlop?
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It's in the "Napster" menu (above left, 4th choice in the menu)

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Postby hexen » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:28 pm

tm, wrote:A review of Nap servers would also be nice to have.

Many server operators have browsing disabled or capped, requiring direct-browse-capable clients. Also, some servers ban certain clients. Standard serverlists do not reveal this essential information.


Some servers definitely ban certain clients, often for reasons unknown. Regarding the browsing-methods, using an ON-client that supports direct-browse is very useful I think, as we all know how much large browsing drains on server bandwith. Those servers that disable browsing probably either lack bandwith or just focus on chat-community.

While I think your idea is an interesting one, it's something beyond what I had in mind from the beginning. I don't know how you'd go about to check these details (other than to try out each and every independant server with different clients), but if you want to contribute with this, I will definitely post it in the list!

Best way to ensure connection to many servers (thereby accessing more files) is to search, download and import serverlists from ON networks, to add to the often already implemented GotNap serverlist.
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Postby Elly » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:34 pm

tm, wrote:A review of Nap servers would also be nice to have.

Many server operators have browsing disabled or capped, requiring direct-browse-capable clients. Also, some servers ban certain clients. Standard serverlists do not reveal this essential information.


The serverscreen on winmx f/i reveals information about blocked clients.(if you like, also in the servermessages screen of the server giving you that information) It's the server giving that information. In Lopster it's the motd screen giving that information. And a very good idea would be visiting the website a lot of networks have and read it thouroughly or even register on their forums to simply ask, a forum is patient and you will get an answer. Most networks who have a website advertise with them too, on gotnap, you can simply click on their network names and you're on your way.

We on my network have put a lot of energy into our website and so have others too. We even had ours completely translated into Italian and still ppl are not aware of the whole site.

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Postby hexen » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:40 pm

Elly wrote:
hexen wrote:Thanks for your input Elly!

First of all I have to ask: How did you manage to import .wsx files to Winlop?
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It's in the "Napster" menu (above left, 4th choice in the menu)

Greetz,
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I'm afraid I can't see that option!

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Postby DKO » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:48 pm

Elly wrote:I have Lopster 1.2.2 running on my Mandriva machine. I have Lopster 1.2.2-fix5-Win32-0.11-RC running on my XP Pro machine. I went through the menu's quickly to find any differences. I might not be looking very well but the only significant difference between the 2 i can find is that my WinLop version can import wsx files and my Lopster on Linux can't which makes no difference for me because they can both update serverlist from gotnap.

Lopster contains my .WSX-importing code since 1.2.2-fix4 (it's now at fix5).

Elly wrote:I think Sgop made a really very good client for Linux and DKO turned it into a really very good windows client.

Don't forget mentioning Sid! BTW, he's currently working on Lopster2 for Win32.


hexen wrote:May I just ask, is the original Lopster client the same feature-wise as Winlop? Previous users have reported that it's suppose to be very stable, is this true? I'd love to get more information on what features it has (compared to other clients). Then I could finally put Lopster into the list as well, which I think is a must anyhow.

Yes, Lopster and Winlop are the same. Winlop isn't stable (and probably will never be) because it uses ancient DLLs (GTK+ 1.3) that will be forever broken - thus crashing Winlop at random times. Maybe someday someone will rewrite it to use other libraries - but it's probably easier to write a new client from scratch, just copying some features from Lopster.


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The option is available on 0.11-RC1. It's not too "user friendly" because it leaves the console window open... I still need to recompile it and do the 0.11 release. (maybe tomorrow...)
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Postby Elly » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:56 pm

hexen wrote:Some servers definitely ban certain clients, often for reasons unknown. Regarding the browsing-methods, using an ON-client that supports direct-browse is very useful I think, as we all know how much large browsing drains on server bandwith. Those servers that disable browsing probably either lack bandwith or just focus on chat-community.


We don't lack bandwidth on my network, we also don't focus on chat. We simply focus on quality and with server based browsing and about 80% users using winmx quality is simply not guaranteed.

hexen wrote:While I think your idea is an interesting one, it's something beyond what I had in mind from the beginning. I don't know how you'd go about to check these details (other than to try out each and every independant server with different clients), but if you want to contribute with this, I will definitely post it in the list!


Clients blocked on my network:

- audioGnome (because it doesn't report up- and download statistics to the server, leechers won't be noticed)
- CatNap (because it forms it's own community within the network, it only allows CatNap to for uploads)
- Drumbeat (because it has to be paid for and the users using it are really convinced they have a right to be on our networks because they paid for the client. The developers build in a client signature spoof which is active by default to avoid being blocked)
- Floodster (for obvious reasons)
- Utatane (it's a leechclient, one has to allow ppl manually to start an upload, all others stay in queue endlessly)
- Xnap 2.5-pre2 (this client is flooding the network with logins on every single server in the network, no matter if they are connected to another server in the network or not, it simply keeps on connecting and causing serious lag)

hexen wrote:Best way to ensure connection to many servers (thereby accessing more files) is to search, download and import serverlists from ON networks, to add to the often already implemented GotNap serverlist.


Old serverlists are nice but they also contain a lot of servers that don't exsist anymore or moved all over the place linking to quite a lot of networks in a row. With the exception of a few, most users have only 1 reply to "someone else with this nickname is already online" which is, changing their nicknames which leads to cloning or ppl logging in and out all the time because the one nick logging in leads to a disconnect of the other one. Ppl should review the old serverlists very thouroughly which in most cases is too much to ask for several reasons.

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Postby Elly » Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:03 pm

hexen wrote:
I'm afraid I can't see that option!



It's been implemented since version Lopster Win32 CVS-20050402

You might wanna upgrade to the newest version, Lopster 1.2.2-fix5-Win32-0.11-RC

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