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Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:47 pm
by bmh67wa
Great. Now I have to click every damn "show" just to see what is being said? I can see where this can be abused. What is this feature necessary for again and why is it needed here?

While having all of these features looks "cool", IMHO none have any application here and just adds more mess to sort through when reading posts. We have never needed "strikethrough" or spoiler tags before. If someone would care to show me an example of a post here that would have benefited by having these features (not from the Lounge either!), then I'm all ears.

There are smiley add-ons for IE, Firefox, Opera, etc. No need to add a bunch more here. HC made a very valid point in stating that the 40 we had pretty much covers all emotions. Too many animated smileys would wreak havoc for people with dial-up (Fred) and just clutter the pages when they are being read.

I'm all for having fun with online friends. Maybe that dead Facebook group should be the place for the general banter that exceeds the Lounge capabilities.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:03 pm
by Fartingbob
Spoiler: show
Dont worry, once the novelty wears out i doubt it'll be hardly used.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 4:32 pm
by sunnyd
I believe the majority of this IS just being done in fun (presently playing with spoiler and stikethrough) until one sees a valid place to use them. As for browser add-on's, I personally don't care for them or any added toolbars, just as I don't allow MS to tell me which updates I have to do. I "choose" from the "custom updates" what I want installed, I never just let MS do them automatically, and I prefer a clean browser with little or no add-on's (I use both Mozilla and IE) and I will do IE8 when I want to, not because they want me to etc. etc.

Those with dial-up already know they are not able to participate very easily in the picture threads, and therefore they most likely don't try very often. I have seen some participation though from dial-up users adding pictures, and I am sure it took a while to upload them, but they wanted to have fun so they did. Adding a couple more animated smiley's would hardly be considered "overwhelming clutter", as they would simply be another choice, it would not be for the intention of using all 40+ in one post (nobody does that now).

Yes, HC had a valid point, there are already several "emotions" but ......others had asked before for a few more choices also, and with SO much bad news being reported, it is nice sometimes to "have a little MORE fun" when possible, or to have a few MORE new choices. I will let those who asked for strikethough and spoiler buttons speak for themselves, but I will take full credit Image (taking a bow is another cute one, lol) for asking for a couple more emoticons (and if none are added, I am fine and happy with that also). :D

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:41 pm
by bmh67wa
sunnyd wrote:Those with dial-up already know they are not able to participate very easily in the picture threads, and therefore they most likely don't try very often.



Every thread here is considered a picture thread since most of us have avatars and many are animated. Just clicking on the "View more smilies" link when making a post could create havoc with anyone on a slow connection, especially if they also have a crappy computer, an iPhone, or a slower netbook/notebook - there are so many ways one can access the internet nowadays and we should be friendly to them all. Adding more, especially animated, could make this worse. Heck, the prior page of this very discussion might even be bad for some users systems. We can't assume that everyone here would appreciate the addition of features that really do nothing to enhance the site. Only a small minority actually post, the rest come here for information. Too much clutter could degrade that "quality" that I think is trying to be achieved here. By not creating a "kiddish" atmosphere and keeping some sort of professionalism also adds credibility.

I'm not against fun. I suggested using that Facebook page that FB set up for us. This type of stuff would be fine over there. Why is it so dead when it appears that there is a strong social group here? Wouldn't it be better to B.S. over there rather than here?

My 13.7¢ (adjusted for inflation)

Take it or leave it.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:19 pm
by sunnyd
I think different opinions are a good thing, it would certainly be boring if we were all clones. :wink:

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:09 pm
by HEAT84
bmh67wa wrote:Great. Now I have to click every damn "show" just to see what is being said? I can see where this can be abused. What is this feature necessary for again and why is it needed here?

This is actually an old school spoiler tag. The modern ones you just have to mouse over them to see what's hidden. It would come in handy in the "Last movie you watched" thread.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:30 am
by Paladwyn
But like he said, any use outside the lounge?

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:06 am
by Fartingbob
Paladwyn wrote:But like he said, any use outside the lounge?

Maybe not, but is there any real use for other tags like font colour, font size, youtube embedding? Do they disrupt normal forum viewing? No because people only use them in the threads where it makes sense to. And the strike through/spoiler tags are just the same. And as for adding a few extra emoticons, each one is usually between 1 and 3kb in size, i cant see how adding a couple more will slow down older computers, noticeably increase dial up users loading times etc.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:15 am
by sunnyd
If there needs to be reason to address "excessive" use of smilies or be concerned about speed for users (and fairly discuss all things concerned), then what would actually qualify as being excessive? I see 32 in one signature, that is the same amount of smilies as used on the first option to post (sorry HEAT, just trying to show an example here). I honestly believe the majority of users do not abuse using graphics or excessive smilies, other than in the lounge, and by now all readers know where the excessive graphics usually are. Remember, I only suggested adding a few more choices for emoticons, I never suggested a free for all in each post with them, nor intended to have Slyck appear "kiddish". Was the suggestion to add a few more to choose from totally taken out of context?

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:59 am
by HouseCrowd
Well, I think it must be a quiet news week! Such intense debate about a few little tags and smilies :shock: :lol:


We can see how the tags go. It took but a few minutes to add them, and it'll take even less time to remove them again if they become a problem :)

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:13 am
by Fartingbob
sunnyd wrote:I see 32 in one signature, that is the same amount of smilies as used on the first option to post (sorry HEAT, just trying to show an example here).
Actually heat has a single image in his sig, its just repeated 32 times. It still only loads 1.34Kb of pixelated goodness.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:30 am
by sunnyd
I know, I was just trying to show that example exactly, that it appears to be excessive, but it is not causing an issue to load. Some things look much worse than they are.

I will compile a list later of some smaller smilies (as HC mentioned earlier, as to which types would be appropriate) and then if anyone wants to comment on any they like or dislike out of those, perhaps that would be a start. The strikethrough and spoiler are already in place, but smilies should be chosen by anyone willing to participate, and if the end result is that none are added, then so be it. Or, if anyone else wants to post one that they like, this would be the time to do it. :D

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:39 am
by Paladwyn
Guess what?
Spoiler: show
:headbang:


Smilies don't show up inside. Is the spoiler going to be a haven for more spammers trying to hide stuff?

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:02 am
by HEAT84
Paladwyn wrote:Guess what?
Spoiler: show
  :headbang:  


Smilies don't show up inside. Is the spoiler going to be a haven for more spammers trying to hide stuff?


I fixed it for you. There has to be a space between the spolier tag and the smile colons.
Edit: It seems spaces are automatically removed when you hit Post which disables the smilies.

Edit2: I found a workaround using ALT unicodes. ALT+NUMPAD 255 is an invisible character. Put one on each side of the smile then a normal space between the mand the ]'s.

Re: Strikethrough

PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:34 pm
by Paladwyn
Spoze that would only be if you *just* wanted to put a smilie in without words..

hmm, seems to have been fixed all around...