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Would you like to see OpenNap stats on the main page in the server stats box again?

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Would you like to see OpenNap listed in Network Stats again?

Postby bmh67wa » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:10 pm

A couple of years ago Slyck used to list OpenNap stats on the main page along with the stats for other networks. Since Napigator mysteriously disappeared a new service called Gotnap has replaced it as a reporting service. They use the same format as Napigator and also cover formats for many OpenNap clients. I see that Filetopia is listed. Nothing personal against that because I use Filetopia myself but they rarely show more than 4000 users. I know many OpenNap networks with far more users than that. I'm not looking for a breakdown of users on each server, just a total for all of the networks would be fine and would help to spread the word that OpenNap is not dead! Would anyone else like to see OpenNap added again?
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Postby bmh67wa » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:59 am

Oh well, I tried.
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Postby Assyrian » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:11 am

i'd like to see more than opennap listed, i've realised many stats are going, ares went, now DC .. why DC ?
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Postby hexen » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:25 am

I would like to see OpenNap listed again for sure. It is far from dead and still a great resource.
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Postby raar » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:27 pm

Sorry I didn't get to this thread. Of course opennap is not dead. I use it every time I download.

As for the stats, you make a good point. Showing the stats lets everyone know that it is still a viable source for "music".

The opennap has less fakes, the users there have more megs of files and rarer ones to look for.

I think the response is low to your query because most of the members here are not big users of the networks who have opennap available.
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Postby bmh67wa » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:57 pm

Yes, I bet that at least half of the latest wave of P2P users doesn't even know what OpenNap is. Adding the stats for this and for the other aforementioned networks would be a great way to promote what are still excellent ways to get files. I mean, c'mon, FastTrack is still listed. Ick! :P
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Postby Psycho Ced » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:39 pm

Don't get your hopes up. IF opennap was not up all this time ... then it will probably show up on the stats sometime after eXeem and ES5; if DC was taken down, its probably because Slyck was not sure of how accurate the stats were(the same reason ares was taken down).
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Postby Allied » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:00 pm

Millions of people turning their clients/computers/internet connections off and on all the time. The stats will never be correct. I'm happy with an average number. As long as its not coming from a biased source that's trying to promote their own network, there's no harm in posting stats. If need be, add a +/-##% like TV news does with its polls.

http://p2p.info.pl/eng/index.php
eDonkey2k 4,000,000
FastTrack 2,709,994
Gnutella 1,623,713
IRC 1,190,454
Warez P2P 1,054,896
Overnet 690,000
Kad 300,000
DirectConnect 291,588
Gnutella2 273,760
Filetopia 3,909

Kad is smaller than Overnet?
ED2K showing 4 millions. Tho if you add Overnet(edonkey2000), Kad(emule) and G2(shareaza) you get 1.26 million. So what ED2K client are those other 2.7 million users using? :?
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Postby Psycho Ced » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:04 pm

IRC??? How do they seperate the file-shares from the chatters?



Allied wrote:Kad is smaller than Overnet?
ED2K showing 4 millions. Tho if you add Overnet(edonkey2000), Kad(emule) and G2(shareaza) you get 1.26 million. So what ED2K client are those other 2.7 million users using? :?

huh?
Not every emule user connects to kad and ed2k, not every shareaza user is connected to ed2k and g2, not every overnet user is connected to ed2k, and not every g2 client connects to ed2k, And not every ed2k client connects to Kad, G2 or Overnet!

So not everything will add up!
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Postby bmh67wa » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:25 am

Allied wrote: As long as its not coming from a biased source that's trying to promote their own network, there's no harm in posting stats.


The website that handles OpenNap reporting is through an independent party who doesn't run a server and has nothing else to do with OpenNap other than providing the space and writing the interface for the reporting engine. The guy has been awesome since the demise of Napigator and has added lots more features and statistics about/for the servers and is highly appreciated in the Nap community. Yes, servers are constantly up and down but this page, http://gotnap.com/index.php?loc=list&so ... &order=asc , shows the totals for combined networks. They also have server stats in the old Napigator format for programs such as Napigator and NapMX to work: http://www.gotnap.com/servers.txt Lopster/WinLop and audioGnome now works with it and there are several client formats avaliable for those who haven't used their old client in awhile and needs to refresh their servers list.
If you want to contact the guy his email addy is on the site. I can't speak for him but I forsee no issues in using his stats here. I think he'd go for it if you guys would consider it. If not, I understand. I could always create some kind of stats box on my site but I think that you guys prob get about a kajillion more hits here than I do on mine. :wink:
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Postby eclectica » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:54 am

OpenNap/SlavaNap is not one network but rather several networks and servers running independently of each other. I think that listing the stats on Slyck would not be a good idea because it would be assuming that the amount of people listed at GotNap is accurate and represents all of the servers running. But I think rather that represents a small amount of the total servers out there that are running.

Currently Slyck has for its network stats:
eDonkey2K
FastTrack
Gnutella
Overnet
MP2P
Filetopia


I would like for it to have OpenFT stats.
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Postby bmh67wa » Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:07 pm

eclectica wrote:OpenNap/SlavaNap is not one network but rather several networks and servers running independently of each other. I think that listing the stats on Slyck would not be a good idea because it would be assuming that the amount of people listed at GotNap is accurate and represents all of the servers running. But I think rather that represents a small amount of the total servers out there that are running.


Just as there are underground BT sites, there are also OpenNap servers that don't list for obvious reasons. There were private sites even back when Napster was still up and around (the "real" Napster) and were never included in the totals before as they never reported to Napigator. No system is accurate (can you say ED2K?) but it would be good advertisement for the community as a whole to remind people that OpenNap is still around. In this case no one is going to look at it for the accuracy.
Thanks for the input that some of you replied with. My guess is that we'll never see OpenNap stats here again but I thought that I'd try. :wink:
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Postby tm, » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:30 am

Maybe there are some people who feel that Opennap is an outdated relic that needs to die off and make room for more advanced P2P protocols.

From a technical standpoint, I wonder if there would there be more advantges in using DC++ for a music-sharing network instead of Opennap?
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Postby bmh67wa » Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:58 pm

"Outdated" usually refers to things that are no longer being actively used or developed. OpenNap in many various forms is constantly being updated by developers.

No network stats seem to be accurate - the accuracy depends on the source as has been proved with the fiasco of fake servers on ED2K that we have seen recently. Based on the response to this poll and another one on this forum there appears to be a want/desire there, just not an overwhelming one. This is why people have little or no knowledge about what OpenNap even is anymore. It's sad that one of the great grandfathers of filesharing technology is having to take a back seat to the likes of Kaaza. At least with OpenNap there are human beings there that are more than willing to help you out with any client issues that you might have and you have the opportunity to actually chat with a real human being when you have issues with the network or other users involved. Not a luxury with most other filesharing protocols unless you find some forum somewhere to get your help or make requests.

Thanks to those who have given their input on this subject and a special thanks to SlyckTom for his great article on OpenNap. Every little bit of exposure helps as it also has for every other P2P protocol/client/server/utility out there. Heck, even Frontcode's developers must be beaming by the fact that WinMX still receives so much attention here still even though WinMX is basically "dead" and no one knows anything about their peer network or how many people are using it. Unfortunately, I don't see anyone jumping on the OpenNap stats bandwagon so I have come to accept that it will probably never happen here again but I appreciate the exposure received here recently. :wink:
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